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Getting the feeling that it is a very scary place to live right now. I saw the back end of a program on the BBC called "United States of Hate: Muslims Under Attack" which showed protesters armed to the teeth, which was very alarming. Since then I've heard of 2 black men being killed by police, for little reason apparently.

Alton Sterling's death on the face of it was an appalling over-reaction by the police but the death of Philando Castile particularly troubled me. You may have seen it - it's the one where his girlfriend streamed it on FB whilst he bled to death by her side. She was calmness personified, meanwhile in the background you could hear the police officer, who to me, sounded hysterical.

It's clearly unacceptable that a black man is 21 more times likely to be killed by the police than a white man but that footage did make me wonder how much this is to do with racism and and how much is down to the US gun laws that allow everyone to be armed. I imagine that most officers are probably very very anxious when they have to apprehend someone, regardless of how trivial the misdemeanour is. I wonder if consciously or sub-consciously, they think black men have a greater propensity for using a gun and this is why they are shooting at the slightest sign of some intent.

I'm in no way trying to defend the police actions, just trying to look at it from a different angle.
(07-11-2016, 11:43 AM)chasetownbaggie Wrote: [ -> ]Getting the feeling that it is a very scary place to live right now. I saw the back end of a program on the BBC called "United States of Hate: Muslims Under Attack" which showed protesters armed to the teeth, which was very alarming. Since then I've heard of 2 black men being killed by police, for little reason apparently.

Alton Sterling's death on the face of it was an appalling over-reaction by the police but the death of Philando Castile particularly troubled me. You may have seen it - it's the one where his girlfriend streamed it on FB whilst he bled to death by her side. She was calmness personified, meanwhile in the background you could hear the police officer, who to me, sounded hysterical.

It's clearly unacceptable that a black man is 21 more times likely to be killed by the police than a white man but that footage did make me wonder how much this is to do with racism and and how much is down to the US gun laws that allow everyone to be armed. I imagine that most officers are probably very very anxious when they have to apprehend someone, regardless of how trivial the misdemeanour is. I wonder if consciously or sub-consciously, they think black men have a greater propensity for using a gun and this is why they are shooting at the slightest sign of some intent.

I'm in no way trying to defend the police actions, just trying to look at it from a different angle.

The gun laws are the reason so many are killed wether they are black or white.

Have they heard of Taser guns over there? They seem pretty effective to me and more importantly don't cause death!!!

Like you say if you know someone might have a gun it causes paranoia.
There is no easy answer. I've said before that Obama would've loved to have done something about the gun laws, but has been stymied by the Republicans controlling the Senate. Most of the politicians, even Democrats support (however tacitly) the Second Amendment as they know that supporting any gun control laws would cost them votes.

In short, America is screwed. We seem to be hearing about a new mass shooting every week now and the Police are trigger happy, so it's only going to get worse as nobody is brave enough to say it has to stop and stop immediately and then do something about it.
While they are shooting each other, they are leaving the Lions alone.
(07-11-2016, 12:29 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote: [ -> ]There is no easy answer. I've said before that Obama would've loved to have done something about the gun laws, but has been stymied by the Republicans controlling the Senate. Most of the politicians, even Democrats support (however tacitly) the Second Amendment as they know that supporting any gun control laws would cost them votes.

In short, America is screwed. We seem to be hearing about a new mass shooting every week now and the Police are trigger happy, so it's only going to get worse as nobody is brave enough to say it has to stop and stop immediately and then do something about it.

Try every DAY!

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Don't they have similar gun laws in Canada, but without the drama?
When the right to purchase, carry and use guns is thought by so many to be above the right to draw breath and stay alive
society is pretty much fooked.
(07-11-2016, 12:41 PM)Montserratbaggie Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-11-2016, 12:29 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote: [ -> ]There is no easy answer. I've said before that Obama would've loved to have done something about the gun laws, but has been stymied by the Republicans controlling the Senate. Most of the politicians, even Democrats support (however tacitly) the Second Amendment as they know that supporting any gun control laws would cost them votes.

In short, America is screwed. We seem to be hearing about a new mass shooting every week now and the Police are trigger happy, so it's only going to get worse as nobody is brave enough to say it has to stop and stop immediately and then do something about it.

Try every DAY!

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

How can any American look at that and not feel despair?
(07-11-2016, 12:53 PM)Beano16 Wrote: [ -> ]When the right to purchase, carry and use guns is thought by so many to be above the right to draw breath and stay alive
society is pretty much fooked.

I'm sure the venn diagram with two groups showing those who are actively in support of the second amendment and those who are anti-abortion would have a significant overlap.

Pro life...it's fucking insane innit?
(07-11-2016, 01:20 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-11-2016, 12:53 PM)Beano16 Wrote: [ -> ]When the right to purchase, carry and use guns is thought by so many to be above the right to draw breath and stay alive
society is pretty much fooked.

I'm sure the venn diagram with two groups showing those who are actively in support of the second amendment and those who are anti-abortion would have a significant overlap.

Pro life...it's fucking insane innit?

of the 509 us citizens killed this year 124 showed CLEAR signs of mental illness (that's one more than the amount of black people being killed.

of the 809 killed, 98% were from the lowest socio-economic quartile.

Although black people making up a higher percentage of the poorest may well be an indication of racism, there's a clear indicator that its the most disadvantaged (desperate?) that are most likely to be killed.

ON the flip side, police killed is likely to top 50 this year. With that in the back of their mind, I'm not surprised that when they go into areas and engage in confrontations where they are statistically more likely to get killed., they sometimes make the wrong decision.

Get rid of guns for a short term solution. Encourage a more equal spread of wealth (or at least a pretense of wealth) and opportunity for a long term solution
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