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I'll make this my final politics view until after June 8th as i'm sure youre all bored with my views, but this election in particular I feel very passionate about.  IVe tried to look at all angles and also take on board my own bias. Statistics, conversations and demographics. My old man is a classic example of the complexity at hand, pro-brexit and voting Labour. Sadly the conversations I have had with those who 'might' vote Labour have swung my view that the Tories will come out with around a 70 seat majority. Not a single one of them seems to be able to provide much reason other than that they are traditionally 'blue' or dont find Corbyn palatable in one way or another. I do think that the younger turnout will be high and that Labour will sporadically win seats that are a suprise, particularly in London and Wales. The tories will nab a few in Scotland. In the end though the 40-55 'doing ok' demographic seem to me to keep falling into the 'stick with tory' crucial category. I find it sad that none of them can come up with anything much constructive and also hate that my own kids will have predominantly grown up under the 'look after yourself' mentality. The levels of self harm and poverty i see in my own job are so depressing, and i think this is a concurrent symptom. Nothing will convince me that the current course is the right one or that May is in anyway the best person to steer us through the quagmire. However, we live in a democracy-of-sorts and people cant say they dont have a choice this time. The crumbs of comfort to me are that for many reasons in 5 years time a Tory govt now will be their long term demise. Just when the UK needs to be braver than ever we will crawl inside a cocoon and poke our heads out and hope everything is ok. The greatest irony will be that the many of the most self-serving will suffer the most for it. The people in the media calling the tune will pack up their bags and say ta-ra. I hope i'm wrong and that sense prevails.
It is the most left-wing Tory manifesto in recent history and I have no idea how you can say it embodies the 'look after yourself' mentality just because it hasn't got as much free stuff (which never is free) as Labour's.

Why on earth should the state look after you and you not look after yourself, anyway? What happened to personal responsibility?

And - hand on heart - can you see Corbyn as PM being anything other than a shambles? Particularly with who the Cabinet will be?

Who do you think will pack up and leave, and why?
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Is that all you have got? Lies, libels and 'humourous' memes?
Top post, Heath.
Are you going to listen to Mayhem on Women's Hour today?

Oh hang on she done another runner! lol
(06-02-2017, 12:35 AM)Heath Wrote: [ -> ]I'll make this my final politics view until after June 8th as i'm sure youre all bored with my views, but this election in particular I feel very passionate about.  IVe tried to look at all angles and also take on board my own bias. Statistics, conversations and demographics. My old man is a classic example of the complexity at hand, pro-brexit and voting Labour. Sadly the conversations I have had with those who 'might' vote Labour have swung my view that the Tories will come out with around a 70 seat majority. Not a single one of them seems to be able to provide much reason other than that they are traditionally 'blue' or dont find Corbyn palatable in one way or another. I do think that the younger turnout will be high and that Labour will sporadically win seats that are a suprise, particularly in London and Wales. The tories will nab a few in Scotland. In the end though the 40-55 'doing ok' demographic seem to me to keep falling into the 'stick with tory' crucial category. I find it sad that none of them can come up with anything much constructive and also hate that my own kids will have predominantly grown up under the 'look after yourself' mentality. The levels of self harm and poverty i see in my own job are so depressing, and i think this is a concurrent symptom. Nothing will convince me that the current course is the right one or that May is in anyway the best person to steer us through the quagmire. However, we live in a democracy-of-sorts and people cant say they dont have a choice this time. The crumbs of comfort to me are that for many reasons in 5 years time a Tory govt now will be their long term demise. Just when the UK needs to be braver than ever we will crawl inside a cocoon and poke our heads out and hope everything is ok. The greatest irony will be that the many of the most self-serving will suffer the most for it. The people in the media calling the tune will pack up their bags and say ta-ra. I hope i'm wrong and that sense prevails.
This is the third election since the financial crisis hit. The financial crisis is not over, not by a long way. In 2008 I felt and said that we'd all have to get used to being a little bit poorer, which is about the way it has been and will be for some time yet.
If, God forbid, Labour get their fingers on power through some sort of deranged coalition we can all expect to be worse off very quickly. Taxation will increase, but will not be the most important contributor - that will be inflation. You can't expect to contain inflation with a £10 minimum wage, a public spending splurge, Corporation Tax increases and a falling £. The only way to control inflation will be to use interest rate hikes, which in turn will crash the credit bubble.
Those of us with equity will be fine. Everyone else will be fucked. Unemployment will rise. Tories will be returned to clear the mess up, again.
How do I know this you ask? Because this is always what happens when Labour get into government.
That's the only choice this election folks. The Tory manifesto and leadership are both lamentable, but both represent the Least Worst outcome.
Vote early, vote often, vote Least Worst.
(06-02-2017, 01:10 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-02-2017, 12:35 AM)Heath Wrote: [ -> ]I'll make this my final politics view until after June 8th as i'm sure youre all bored with my views, but this election in particular I feel very passionate about.  IVe tried to look at all angles and also take on board my own bias. Statistics, conversations and demographics. My old man is a classic example of the complexity at hand, pro-brexit and voting Labour. Sadly the conversations I have had with those who 'might' vote Labour have swung my view that the Tories will come out with around a 70 seat majority. Not a single one of them seems to be able to provide much reason other than that they are traditionally 'blue' or dont find Corbyn palatable in one way or another. I do think that the younger turnout will be high and that Labour will sporadically win seats that are a suprise, particularly in London and Wales. The tories will nab a few in Scotland. In the end though the 40-55 'doing ok' demographic seem to me to keep falling into the 'stick with tory' crucial category. I find it sad that none of them can come up with anything much constructive and also hate that my own kids will have predominantly grown up under the 'look after yourself' mentality. The levels of self harm and poverty i see in my own job are so depressing, and i think this is a concurrent symptom. Nothing will convince me that the current course is the right one or that May is in anyway the best person to steer us through the quagmire. However, we live in a democracy-of-sorts and people cant say they dont have a choice this time. The crumbs of comfort to me are that for many reasons in 5 years time a Tory govt now will be their long term demise. Just when the UK needs to be braver than ever we will crawl inside a cocoon and poke our heads out and hope everything is ok. The greatest irony will be that the many of the most self-serving will suffer the most for it. The people in the media calling the tune will pack up their bags and say ta-ra. I hope i'm wrong and that sense prevails.
This is the third election since the financial crisis hit. The financial crisis is not over, not by a long way. In 2008 I felt and said that we'd all have to get used to being a little bit poorer, which is about the way it has been and will be for some time yet.
If, God forbid, Labour get their fingers on power through some sort of deranged coalition we can all expect to be worse off very quickly. Taxation will increase, but will not be the most important contributor - that will be inflation. You can't expect to contain inflation with a £10 minimum wage, a public spending splurge, Corporation Tax increases and a falling £. The only way to control inflation will be to use interest rate hikes, which in turn will crash the credit bubble.
Those of us with equity will be fine. Everyone else will be fucked. Unemployment will rise. Tories will be returned to clear the mess up, again.
How do I know this you ask? Because this is always what happens when Labour get into government.
That's the only choice this election folks. The Tory manifesto and leadership are both lamentable, but both represent the Least Worst outcome.
Vote early, vote often, vote Least Worst.

You are missing the bits where Tories cut services to the bone and Labour have to clear the mess up. Neither party is fit to govern at present as both are bogged down with their own political dogma and with Brexit looming I shudder to think what a fecking mess this country will be in over the next decade as my kids grow up.
(06-02-2017, 01:10 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-02-2017, 12:35 AM)Heath Wrote: [ -> ]I'll make this my final politics view until after June 8th as i'm sure youre all bored with my views, but this election in particular I feel very passionate about.  IVe tried to look at all angles and also take on board my own bias. Statistics, conversations and demographics. My old man is a classic example of the complexity at hand, pro-brexit and voting Labour. Sadly the conversations I have had with those who 'might' vote Labour have swung my view that the Tories will come out with around a 70 seat majority. Not a single one of them seems to be able to provide much reason other than that they are traditionally 'blue' or dont find Corbyn palatable in one way or another. I do think that the younger turnout will be high and that Labour will sporadically win seats that are a suprise, particularly in London and Wales. The tories will nab a few in Scotland. In the end though the 40-55 'doing ok' demographic seem to me to keep falling into the 'stick with tory' crucial category. I find it sad that none of them can come up with anything much constructive and also hate that my own kids will have predominantly grown up under the 'look after yourself' mentality. The levels of self harm and poverty i see in my own job are so depressing, and i think this is a concurrent symptom. Nothing will convince me that the current course is the right one or that May is in anyway the best person to steer us through the quagmire. However, we live in a democracy-of-sorts and people cant say they dont have a choice this time. The crumbs of comfort to me are that for many reasons in 5 years time a Tory govt now will be their long term demise. Just when the UK needs to be braver than ever we will crawl inside a cocoon and poke our heads out and hope everything is ok. The greatest irony will be that the many of the most self-serving will suffer the most for it. The people in the media calling the tune will pack up their bags and say ta-ra. I hope i'm wrong and that sense prevails.
This is the third election since the financial crisis hit. The financial crisis is not over, not by a long way. In 2008 I felt and said that we'd all have to get used to being a little bit poorer, which is about the way it has been and will be for some time yet.
If, God forbid, Labour get their fingers on power through some sort of deranged coalition we can all expect to be worse off very quickly. Taxation will increase, but will not be the most important contributor - that will be inflation. You can't expect to contain inflation with a £10 minimum wage, a public spending splurge, Corporation Tax increases and a falling £. The only way to control inflation will be to use interest rate hikes, which in turn will crash the credit bubble.
Those of us with equity will be fine. Everyone else will be fucked. Unemployment will rise. Tories will be returned to clear the mess up, again.
How do I know this you ask? Because this is always what happens when Labour get into government.
That's the only choice this election folks. The Tory manifesto and leadership are both lamentable, but both represent the Least Worst outcome.
Vote early, vote often, vote Least Worst.

You just can't bring yourself to swallow the possibility of raising taxes can you? I believe you will find that will hit the rich and big corporations, both of whom have had it way too good under this mob whilst the rest of us have suffered.
(06-02-2017, 01:10 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]This is the third election since the financial crisis hit. The financial crisis is not over, not by a long way. In 2008 I felt and said that we'd all have to get used to being a little bit poorer, which is about the way it has been and will be for some time yet.
If, God forbid, Labour get their fingers on power through some sort of deranged coalition we can all expect to be worse off very quickly. Taxation will increase, but will not be the most important contributor - that will be inflation. You can't expect to contain inflation with a £10 minimum wage, a public spending splurge, Corporation Tax increases and a falling £. The only way to control inflation will be to use interest rate hikes, which in turn will crash the credit bubble.
Those of us with equity will be fine. Everyone else will be fucked. Unemployment will rise. Tories will be returned to clear the mess up, again.
How do I know this you ask? Because this is always what happens when Labour get into government.
That's the only choice this election folks. The Tory manifesto and leadership are both lamentable, but both represent the Least Worst outcome.
Vote early, vote often, vote Least Worst.

At least Brexit won't be inflicted upon us...
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