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Some blindingly obvious things to me post election that haven't been said to my ear as yet.

1 It was nothing to do with the Tory campaign. It was half the pro European country wanting to give the Tories a kicking for allowing the Brexit mess. This was a kick in the balls about Cameron, Johnson, Gove etc. 

2 Labour are congratulating Corbyn now, but what would they have done if they had someone more of a New Labour mould, who would be more electable? With David Milliband in charge it would have been a landside.
Agree on the 2nd point. Not so sure about the 1st. Elements of that yes. But Corbyn was/is hardly pro EU. Remainers had a clear choice to vote Lib Dem if they wanted to remain - they haven't (Corbyn has said we'll leave). My area voted stongly remain. Yet voted strongly Tory. I think it had a huge amount to do with May's/Tories dreadful campaign.
Don't agree on the 2nd point.

Corbyn has got the young voters massively engaged and into the polling booths. Man deserves huge respect.

50% Corbyn being brilliant and 50% May being pathetic.
I could see in my polling station there were increased numbers voting. Never seen it so busy.
(06-09-2017, 08:40 AM)cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]Agree on the 2nd point. Not so sure about the 1st. Elements of that yes. But Corbyn was/is hardly pro EU. Remainers had a clear choice to vote Lib Dem if they wanted to remain - they haven't (Corbyn has said we'll leave). My area voted stongly remain. Yet voted strongly Tory. I think it had a huge amount to do with May's/Tories dreadful campaign.

Very true on the second point. It's actually created a real headache for Labour. The Corbynites will use this as fuel to show him as the future, when the country think otherwise. In short a mess for all. 
Re Brexit, I was/am Remain and wanted to give the Tories a kicking so I voted Lib Dem for what it was worth in my safe Tory seat, which actually increased. 
It was a night where there were no winners just different shades of losers. Glad I went to  bed early and missed it.
(06-09-2017, 08:49 AM)spandaubaggie Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-09-2017, 08:40 AM)cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]Agree on the 2nd point. Not so sure about the 1st. Elements of that yes. But Corbyn was/is hardly pro EU. Remainers had a clear choice to vote Lib Dem if they wanted to remain - they haven't (Corbyn has said we'll leave). My area voted stongly remain. Yet voted strongly Tory. I think it had a huge amount to do with May's/Tories dreadful campaign.

Very true on the second point. It's actually created a real headache for Labour. The Corbynites will use this as fuel to show him as the future, when the country think otherwise. In short a mess for all. 
Re Brexit, I was/am Remain and wanted to give the Tories a kicking so I voted Lib Dem for what it was worth in my safe Tory seat, which actually increased. 
It was a night where there were no winners just different shades of losers. Glad I went to  bed early and missed it.

Yep. Lots of regional variations. Who'd have thought that the Tories would be so strong in Scotland for example.
(06-09-2017, 08:52 AM)cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-09-2017, 08:49 AM)spandaubaggie Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-09-2017, 08:40 AM)cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]Agree on the 2nd point. Not so sure about the 1st. Elements of that yes. But Corbyn was/is hardly pro EU. Remainers had a clear choice to vote Lib Dem if they wanted to remain - they haven't (Corbyn has said we'll leave). My area voted stongly remain. Yet voted strongly Tory. I think it had a huge amount to do with May's/Tories dreadful campaign.

Very true on the second point. It's actually created a real headache for Labour. The Corbynites will use this as fuel to show him as the future, when the country think otherwise. In short a mess for all. 
Re Brexit, I was/am Remain and wanted to give the Tories a kicking so I voted Lib Dem for what it was worth in my safe Tory seat, which actually increased. 
It was a night where there were no winners just different shades of losers. Glad I went to  bed early and missed it.

Yep. Lots of regional variations. Who'd have thought that the Tories would be so strong in Scotland for example.

Ruth Davidson. Future Tory leader?
(06-09-2017, 08:52 AM)cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-09-2017, 08:49 AM)spandaubaggie Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-09-2017, 08:40 AM)cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]Agree on the 2nd point. Not so sure about the 1st. Elements of that yes. But Corbyn was/is hardly pro EU. Remainers had a clear choice to vote Lib Dem if they wanted to remain - they haven't (Corbyn has said we'll leave). My area voted stongly remain. Yet voted strongly Tory. I think it had a huge amount to do with May's/Tories dreadful campaign.

Very true on the second point. It's actually created a real headache for Labour. The Corbynites will use this as fuel to show him as the future, when the country think otherwise. In short a mess for all. 
Re Brexit, I was/am Remain and wanted to give the Tories a kicking so I voted Lib Dem for what it was worth in my safe Tory seat, which actually increased. 
It was a night where there were no winners just different shades of losers. Glad I went to  bed early and missed it.

Yep. Lots of regional variations. Who'd have thought that the Tories would be so strong in Scotland for example.
It's just mad times CIM. I know we're of a similar age and never seen anything like this in our lives. It's like the rule book we've always known about has been ripped up and there's no one who can really make sense of it all. None of us know what it means and only history will make sense of it all.
(06-09-2017, 08:35 AM)110percentBaggie Wrote: [ -> ]Some blindingly obvious things to me post election that haven't been said to my ear as yet.

1 It was nothing to do with the Tory campaign. It was half the pro European country wanting to give the Tories a kicking for allowing the Brexit mess. This was a kick in the balls about Cameron, Johnson, Gove etc. 

2 Labour are congratulating Corbyn now, but what would they have done if they had someone more of a New Labour mould, who would be more electable? With David Milliband in charge it would have been a landside.

Both parties have been piss-poor in terms of who they voted in as leader. Completely agree on the David Milliband point. Or Miliband, Can't remember.
(06-09-2017, 09:03 AM)Fido Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-09-2017, 08:35 AM)110percentBaggie Wrote: [ -> ]Some blindingly obvious things to me post election that haven't been said to my ear as yet.

1 It was nothing to do with the Tory campaign. It was half the pro European country wanting to give the Tories a kicking for allowing the Brexit mess. This was a kick in the balls about Cameron, Johnson, Gove etc. 

2 Labour are congratulating Corbyn now, but what would they have done if they had someone more of a New Labour mould, who would be more electable? With David Milliband in charge it would have been a landside.

Both parties have been piss-poor in terms of who they voted in as leader. Completely agree on the David Milliband point. Or Miliband, Can't remember.

Please keep up, pro euro Blairism was rejected in 2 general elections and a referendum recently
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