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Anybody else seen this rant on twitter - IMO absolutely spot on and if anyone who knows how to do these things can post it on here that would be great ta!

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Here you go:

Fuck off, Jeremy Corbyn, you hopeless old tatterdemalion, and take your useless fucking coterie with you. You've wasted years, lost everything you've tried, and are the single biggest cause of the Tory win. Should've gone 3 years ago. Go now.
 
People will say "I bet you want Blair". No. Blair might be the opposite of Corbyn, but he's not the only alternative to him. The mistake Labour made is thinking a bad person being good at politics means everybody good at politics is bad.
 
People will say "the media is biased". Yes. But that's the environment Labour leaders always operate in. Complaining about it is like trawler captains complaining the sea is wet. Yep. Learn to thrive in those conditions, or get off the boat
 
People will say "they treated him worse than any previous leader". They did. Cos he was shit at working the press, had a history of opinions that could be easily made to look awful, was inept on antisemitism, shifty on Brexit and cantankerous on TV.
 
People will say "no way is he racist". Perhaps. But if people accused me of antisemitism, I'd be able to clearly defend myself, demonstrate my credentials, and put in place a strategy to stop accusations. He couldn't. If he's not antisemitic, he's inept.
 
People will say "voters love him in person". I'm sure. But we've been in the age of broadcasting for 80 years. What the hell use is being warm and cuddly to 600 people in a field, when you come over badly to 60 million people on TV?
 
People will say "he grew the party". He did. But he lost elections. People will say "members love him". They do. But members aren't all voters. People will say "his manifesto is great". Maybe. But the more radical your are, the better salesman you need to be. And he's crap.
 
People will say "who would have done better?" Literally every other Leader of the Opposition EVER. Specifically Jess Phillips, Kier Starmer, David Lammy, Angela Rayner, Laura Piddock, Yvette Cooper, or Tom Watson before you drove him and a dozen more out.
 
People will say "you're a centrist, just join LibDems". Yes I am, vaguely, and no I won't. I'd happily vote for Corbyn's agenda if it was led by someone competent and appealing.
 
People will say "Brexit broke traditional parties". True. But Leave all voted Tory. Why didn't Remain all vote Labour? Cos our leader is divisive, inept, shambolic, uninspiring, and too easy to besmirch as an antisemite, terrorist sympathiser, and Leave voter
 
People will say "his Brexit plan made sense". Maybe. But he had to be dragged to it over the course of 3 years, resisting every step, giving mixed messages and looking woozy and lost; by the time he had a plan, nobody trusted him.
 
People will say "Tories told thousands of lies". Yep. If only somebody had seen this happen before and put together a Rapid Response Unit to kill lies in seconds. Oh yeah, Blair did that and won. Corbyn didn't and lost. Just cos Blair did it, doesn't make it bad.
 
People will say "the PLP mutinied against him". They did. They aren't idiots. They could see within weeks Corbyn was a disaster, cos they'd met him. 172 wanted him to go. 40 wanted him to stay. Pretty much the ratio of voters who wanted him to stay / go. MPs were right.
 
People will say "we had to let him try". We did let him try. For years. He lost the referendum in 2016. He lost the election in 2017. He lost the EU elections in 2019. He's lost again. The only thing he's won was "most unpopular Leader of Opposition in history"
 
People will say "the soft left didn't help him". We did. We proposed him as leader. We elected him leader. We voted for him in elections, even though we knew he was shite. What didn't help him was the hard left telling us to go and join LibDems every day.
 
People will say "he was democratically elected". Yes. But members are fanatical, by definition. They don't think like average voters. Letting a fan club manage a band is a stupid idea. They'll book Wembley for 4 nights for Steve Brookstein, cos they don't realise he's shit.
 
And I'm sure people will say rude things to me. They'll pick apart every word and quibble every sentiment. They'll demand I "prove it", or send me links showing how wrong I am. Sick of that shit. We lost, millions will suffer, and you're still defending the primary cause.
 
Jeremy Corbyn has been, from the moment he was elected leader, the Tory party's wet dream. Unless you drink a LOT of Kool Aid, you could predict this fiasco years ago.  If he couldn't see it coming, he's a moron. If he could, he's a selfish prick for not quitting.
 
Time to go now. Hand over to whatever MPs are left after this car-crash, get to your allotment, and let some bloody professionals try to save what they can from the Tory disaster you've bequeathed upon an undeserving nation.

Always makes me laugh when the remain faction and left complain about lies whilst lying their side lied their heads off.

You haven't read that have you, just sent an autoreply

(12-13-2019, 03:36 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]You haven't read that have you, just sent an autoreply

That read like a transcript of some of the arguments I've had with the radio/TV over the past few weeks (and yes, I may well be clinically insane).

In a fair world, with an intelligent, informed electorate and a shred of honour or decency from the government and the press, he'd be a good leader. Unfortunately we live in Britain in 2019 which means everything this guy has said is unfortunately true.

It's a sad day when the ability to work the media is a more important quality in a leader than principles or policy. We should just recruit next years winner of Love Island to be Labour leader.

(12-13-2019, 02:44 PM)Neil Parsley Wrote: [ -> ]Always makes me laugh when the remain faction and left complain about lies whilst lying their side lied their heads off.

If you honestly can't see the difference re. the lying by now,  there's not much point carrying on discussing it. I'm happy to agree to disagree.

I'm guessing you're more to the right than the author, I'd be genuinely interested in your thoughts on the rest of the analysis. What did you think?

All across the Midlands and the North the tories picked up dozens of SAFE labour seats the much vaunted red wall across the North  was not just breached but positively demolished ,, just think about that for a moment this wasnt new tory voters who've suddenly appeared from nowhere as if by magic  these were staunch Labour voters who have voted tory as they could not bring themselves to vote for the current incarnation of Labour, the Dudley and West Bromwich seats turning tory tell you all you need to know, as I've never ever seen anything other than Labour wins here no matter what, you have to seriously ask why that is.

RussinCheshire's latest offering on New Labour being Torylite:

If Labour moves to the centre, we will be indistinguishable from Tories.

I mean, there might be a few small differences, like how a centre-left Labour government lifted 600,000 children and 1 million pensioners out of poverty.

But otherwise Tory.

Oh yeah, and a centre-left Labour government doubled funding for every pupil, and added 36,000 extra teachers and 274,000 teaching assistants, transforming education and giving a better future for millions.

But apart from that, basically Tory.

And sure, a centre-left Labour government won 3 elections back-to-back, giving it time to train and employ 85,000 more nurses, cut NHS waiting times by 82% and get in-patient waiting lists down half a million.

But really: just Tory.

Oh, and they introduced minimum wage, created 1.8 million new jobs, cut long term unemployment by 75%, doubled the number of apprenticeships, and introduced right to 24 days holiday and 2 weeks paternity leave.

So there's that minor difference from Tories.

And yeah, ok, so they had the longest period of low inflation growth since 1960, created an independent Bank of England, and wrote off debt for dozens of poor nations.

Which I grant you, is a *bit* different from Tories. But only a bit. Not proper Labour.

And they delivered peace in Ireland, added 14,000 extra police, cut crime by 35% and increased criminal justice (court) spending by 21%

And opened 2,200 Sure Start centres, brought record literacy, record numeracy, and free nursery places.

But otherwise: pure Conservative

And they doubled overseas aid, which isn't exactly Tory.

And created GiftAid.

And brought in devolution for Scotland and Wales

Banned fur farming

And brought Human Rights Act into UK law

And the cleanest rivers, beaches, water and air since industrial revolution

But Tory, basically. Just Thatcherism.

Pretty much.

Except for 26% increase in child benefit, introduction of winter fuel payments, improvements to 1 million social homes, child Tax Credits, and creation of 3 million child trust funds.

Oh yeah, and they Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships, the Tory scum.

And banned fox hunting, I'll grant you.

And free TV licenses to over 75s

And free entry to museums and art galleries

And a smoking ban, to annoy Nigel Farage

But apart from that.

Oh shit, I forgot.

Free eye tests and bus travel for over 60s

Heart disease deaths down 150,000

Cancer deaths down 50,000

Free breast screening for 50-70 year-olds

And created NHS Direct.

Just like bloody Tories would. Probably.

And it's true they created less debt than the Tory government before them and the Tory government after, even though they had to bail out the banks after a global crash.

So I guess being better at economics than Tories isn't exactly Tory.

Anyway, as I was saying.

The last thing Labour should do now is move to the centre, cos even if we do win elections we are basically the same as Tories.

I mean, sure,I might have identified a few tiny, insignificant differences.

But apart from that.

Anyway: I think I've made my case.

Stay where Corbyn took us: historic defeat, but Purity Of Essence.

Cos that definitely helps the country more than implementing all those terrible things I listed above. Who needs all that shit?

again he's right but it is completely maddening that we have to live like this. Critical thinking should be the most important lesson taught in schools.

CORBYN: i want to massively improve everyone's (except rich people who will have it 1% worse) life in line with many other modern liberal democracies

THE ELECTORATE: hmmmn, not convinced. Could you be more of a cunt about it?

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If Labour moves to the centre, we will be indistinguishable from Tories.

I mean, there might be a few small differences, like how a centre-left Labour government lifted 600,000 children and 1 million pensioners out of poverty.

But otherwise Tory.

Oh yeah, and a centre-left Labour government doubled funding for every pupil, and added 36,000 extra teachers and 274,000 teaching assistants, transforming education and giving a better future for millions.

But apart from that, basically Tory.

And sure, a centre-left Labour government won 3 elections back-to-back, giving it time to train and employ 85,000 more nurses, cut NHS waiting times by 82% and get in-patient waiting lists down half a million.

But really: just Tory.

Oh, and they introduced minimum wage, created 1.8 million new jobs, cut long term unemployment by 75%, doubled the number of apprenticeships, and introduced right to 24 days holiday and 2 weeks paternity leave.

So there's that minor difference from Tories.

And yeah, ok, so they had the longest period of low inflation growth since 1960, created an independent Bank of England, and wrote off debt for dozens of poor nations.

Which I grant you, is a *bit* different from Tories. But only a bit. Not proper Labour.

And they delivered peace in Ireland, added 14,000 extra police, cut crime by 35% and increased criminal justice (court) spending by 21%

And opened 2,200 Sure Start centres, brought record literacy, record numeracy, and free nursery places.

But otherwise: pure Conservative

And they doubled overseas aid, which isn't exactly Tory.

And created GiftAid.

And brought in devolution for Scotland and Wales

Banned fur farming

And brought Human Rights Act into UK law

And the cleanest rivers, beaches, water and air since industrial revolution

But Tory, basically. Just Thatcherism.

Pretty much.

Except for 26% increase in child benefit, introduction of winter fuel payments, improvements to 1 million social homes, child Tax Credits, and creation of 3 million child trust funds.

Oh yeah, and they Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships, the Tory scum.

And banned fox hunting, I'll grant you.

And free TV licenses to over 75s

And free entry to museums and art galleries

And a smoking ban, to annoy Nigel Farage

But apart from that.

Oh shit, I forgot.

Free eye tests and bus travel for over 60s

Heart disease deaths down 150,000

Cancer deaths down 50,000

Free breast screening for 50-70 year-olds

And created NHS Direct.

Just like bloody Tories would. Probably.

And it's true they created less debt than the Tory government before them and the Tory government after, even though they had to bail out the banks after a global crash.

So I guess being better at economics than Tories isn't exactly Tory.

Anyway, as I was saying.

The last thing Labour should do now is move to the centre, cos even if we do win elections we are basically the same as Tories.

I mean, sure,I might have identified a few tiny, insignificant differences.

But apart from that.

Anyway: I think I've made my case.

Stay where Corbyn took us: historic defeat, but Purity Of Essence.

Cos that definitely helps the country more than implementing all those terrible things I listed above. Who needs all that shit?
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