(04-16-2020, 08:27 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ]An Irish MEP tells it like it is. I realise this won’t fit Dekka’s ‘love in’ with the EU but it’s pretty damning. We’re constantly subjected to “The Tories cut spending on health” line but there is no mention of these EU directives. (Strange that) We are also constantly harangued about the U.K. government’s previous austerity policy but I can’t recall much moaning about the EU insisting on the implementing of the same policy by member states.
https://youtu.be/L-_Oob6OkH0.
This is the report he was siting.
https://emmaclancy.files.wordpress.com/2...h-pact.pdf
Here is some corroboration.
https://www.epsu.org/article/europe-s-pu...usand-cuts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10162176 Look at Spain particularly.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5881725/. Page 3, 8 & 9
https://ilcuk.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/...-Years.pdf. The Summary Page will do.
• “Austerity policies included cuts to health spending as well as social security spending related to unemployment. Only old age spending per head rose consistently across Europe during the austerity years.
• While there were significant differences across countries in health spending cuts, reductions in prevention spending were almost universal.”
So you have always been against austerity then? I know I argued against it. I think one look at the BBC article laying out how much we cut public services tells you why we are currently trying desperately to try and solve this current crisis with cut to the bone services.
The EU was and is never perfect and you won’t find anyone on here that will say so. However the pro’s outnumbered the cons and not one politician has proven otherwise.
Shouldn’t it be citing not siting btw?
(04-16-2020, 08:42 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]So you have always been against austerity then? I know I argued against it. I think one look at the BBC article laying out how much we cut public services tells you why we are currently trying desperately to try and solve this current crisis with cut to the bone services.
The EU was and is never perfect and you won’t find anyone on here that will say so. However the pro’s outnumbered the cons and not one politician has proven otherwise.
Shouldn’t it be citing not siting btw?
Erm, yes it should. I blame predictive text
I don’t do too bad for Secondary Modern factory fodder.
I shouldn’t think many are in favour of Austerity but I did believe there was a need for it following the bale out of the banks en sh*t.
The point or points are that the U.K. is not the only state in Europe that cut expenditure on health care. And I think many would have, rightly criticised the NHS if it was found in December that they had in stock enough PPE to cover this extraordinary situation. I imagine people would have been shouting “waste” and “poor management “.
The other point was that some on here and I’m sorry to say, you in particular, always hold the EU up as some sort of paragon and that The U.K. is alone in austerity. Where as, if fact, I think You have to agree, issuing 63 directives in 10 years ordering states to reduce spending on health shows they are not. Whether I supported austerity or not is irrelevant. You didn’t and wrote vociferously criticising the government but remain strangely shtum about your beloved EU doing exactly the same.
(04-16-2020, 11:30 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ]vociferously criticising the government but remain strangely shtum about your beloved EU doing exactly the same.
What the EU has done, and is doing to Greece and Italy is far worse than any so-called austerity in the UK.
After all, in the UK you have the choice to vote against it.
(04-16-2020, 12:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 11:30 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ]vociferously criticising the government but remain strangely shtum about your beloved EU doing exactly the same.
What the EU has done, and is doing to Greece and Italy is far worse than any so-called austerity in the UK.
After all, in the UK you have the choice to vote against it.
So we voted against it as part of the EU is what you are saying. We exercised our rights within the EU to control our own destiny. Interesting.
(04-16-2020, 12:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 11:30 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ]vociferously criticising the government but remain strangely shtum about your beloved EU doing exactly the same.
What the EU has done, and is doing to Greece and Italy is far worse than any so-called austerity in the UK.
After all, in the UK you have the choice to vote against it.
EU elections are more democratic than UK general elections.
When did we vote for austerity? I'm pretty certain we were part of the EU at the time.
(04-16-2020, 02:12 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote: [ -> ]EU elections are more democratic than UK general elections.
Elections to the European Parliament are democratic. "Elections" of EU leaders are a grubby stitch up. The Commission drives the agenda of the Parliament rather than it being the other way round - so the EU is anything but democratic.
(04-16-2020, 12:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 11:30 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ]vociferously criticising the government but remain strangely shtum about your beloved EU doing exactly the same.
What the EU has done, and is doing to Greece and Italy is far worse than any so-called austerity in the UK.
After all, in the UK you have the choice to vote against it.
But the Guardian says differently and DH only takes his views from there.
(04-18-2020, 07:15 PM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 12:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 11:30 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ]vociferously criticising the government but remain strangely shtum about your beloved EU doing exactly the same.
What the EU has done, and is doing to Greece and Italy is far worse than any so-called austerity in the UK.
After all, in the UK you have the choice to vote against it.
But the Guardian says differently and DH only takes his views from there.
Do you think he'd have a more rounded view if he restricted his reading to the sides of public transport?