The Boris plan coming to fruition
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(10-30-2019, 11:16 AM)ChamonixBaggie Wrote: Everyone is allowed an opinion of course and if you choose to engage in discussion (as we're doing) then everyone is allowed to try to convince others to change their opinion. If anyone can give me some good reasons to vote Tory then I'm all ears.

I'm genuinely interested as to why you would feel the need to leave the country if Labour won? There seems to be a lot of personal animosity towards Corbyn that I really don't understand given that he's been a lifelong campaigner for the working class. He is rich now yeah, I don't think anyone has disputed that? Just not as rich as some of the Tory front bench including Johnson.
There is a picture of him at a funeral pal following a coffin while the ira are in balaclavas and I don't want privitlization people forget how british rail was it was a 3rd world railway .......look at socialism look at Venezuela.........and why I dont like corbyn anyone who shags dianne Abbott needs his head checking into the local loony bin
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#32
(10-30-2019, 11:27 AM)ChamonixBaggie Wrote: Did he though? If you check fullfact.org (independent fact checking website) it says that he hasn't attended an IRA funeral, do you have a link or something to say he did? I can't find anything with a quick google.

Again, I'm genuinely interested in where your animosity towards Corbyn comes from as I really think as a PM he'd improve the lives of the working class of Sandwell/Black country. I  personally believe the hostility has been manufactured to suit the agenda of the wealthy but if you can give me some other reason why you think he's a twat I'd like to know.

It no doubt kept coming up on his facebook wall so it must be true...
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#33
Also why are people on the left so good at telling me what I am and what I am not?

You are racist, you aren't a capitalist, you are this, you aren't that. I am fully aware of what I am and why I think like I do. I cast no aspersions on what any of you guys think. I don't care if you vote Labour or Tory, I'm sure it isn't the defining characteristic of you all. We are probably the same underneath, just trying to do the best we can for our own.

I don't have to justify my vote to you or to anyone, voting Tory isn't a bad thing, you can try and stigmatise people as "far right" to try and shame them into not voting that way, I'm comfortable with my choices, I sleep well at night voting the way I have and will continue to do so.
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#34
It's true - proof:

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#35
(10-30-2019, 11:37 AM)boingingjim Wrote: Also why are people on the left so good at telling me what I am and what I am not?

You are racist, you aren't a capitalist, you are this, you aren't that.  I am fully aware of what I am and why I think like I do.  I cast no aspersions on what any of you guys think.  I don't care if you vote Labour or Tory, I'm sure it isn't the defining characteristic of you all.  We are probably the same underneath, just trying to do the best we can for our own.

I don't have to justify my vote to you or to anyone, voting Tory isn't a bad thing, you can try and stigmatise people as "far right" to try and shame them into not voting that way, I'm comfortable with my choices, I sleep well at night voting the way I have and will continue to do so.

You can vote anyway you like but having seen the damage to public services up close I feel well informed not to encourage anyone to vote for the Conservative.

You are a successful product of the state as much as you are your parents hard work. I’m just trying to do the best for my kids and the threat of Brexit making my family less well off and the cuts to frontline services is completely down to this government and whilst it may not effect you now it may in the future.
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#36
(10-30-2019, 11:37 AM)boingingjim Wrote: Also why are people on the left so good at telling me what I am and what I am not?

You are racist, you aren't a capitalist, you are this, you aren't that.  I am fully aware of what I am and why I think like I do.  I cast no aspersions on what any of you guys think.  I don't care if you vote Labour or Tory, I'm sure it isn't the defining characteristic of you all.  We are probably the same underneath, just trying to do the best we can for our own.

I don't have to justify my vote to you or to anyone, voting Tory isn't a bad thing, you can try and stigmatise people as "far right" to try and shame them into not voting that way, I'm comfortable with my choices, I sleep well at night voting the way I have and will continue to do so.

I'm not certain anyone has called you racist, or far right. I have pointed out why you aren't a capitalist, true capitalists pay for everything, you don't and that isn't an insult.
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#37
(10-30-2019, 10:36 AM)boingingjim Wrote: I am a capitalist.  I believe in opportunity for all.  I was born in a working class family that saw my mother work two jobs and father on night shifts.  Thatcher and her Grammar school policies at the time enabled me to go and become something I could otherwise never have dreamed of.  I believe in working hard and paying taxes, I believe in people being more able to decided where to spend than Governments, I don't believe in state intervention at a massive scale.

You talk about me being blinded by soundbites and media portrayal, yet you paint Corbyn as being a work class lad from the estates of London. He's as stinking rich as most Tory MP's.  Abbott sends her kids to private school not the comprehensives of her constituency.  

I have no issue with anyone voting Labour, Tory or Libs or even Greens.  People vote for their own reasons, what I can't abide is someone calling me a racist bigot when that is not true.

What grammar school policies were these?  Was their a rash of new Grammar schools created under premiership, I am not aware of it, just a continuation of the policy that allowed pre existing Grammar schools to continue as Grammar Schools. 

As education secretary in the Ted Heath Government, she may well have the record of the Education Minister who oversaw the introduction of more Comprehensive Schools than any other Education Secretary.
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#38
(10-30-2019, 11:40 AM)baggy1 Wrote: It's true - proof:

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5/10 for photoshop
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#39
(10-30-2019, 11:37 AM)boingingjim Wrote: Also why are people on the left so good at telling me what I am and what I am not?

You are racist, you aren't a capitalist, you are this, you aren't that.  I am fully aware of what I am and why I think like I do.  I cast no aspersions on what any of you guys think.  I don't care if you vote Labour or Tory, I'm sure it isn't the defining characteristic of you all.  We are probably the same underneath, just trying to do the best we can for our own.

I don't have to justify my vote to you or to anyone, voting Tory isn't a bad thing, you can try and stigmatise people as "far right" to try and shame them into not voting that way, I'm comfortable with my choices, I sleep well at night voting the way I have and will continue to do so.

This is my impression of most people that vote conservative.  We’re ok and we’re doing what’s best for us.

I’d like to see a wider lens on life in the uk and think about what’s best for others too.  Have a look round and think “I’m doing ok here, a few more quid a week won’t hurt me but what a difference it may make to the hospitals or the schools or the homeless or the mental health crisis or just many, many less well off than yourself through no fault of their own.

The state provided YOU with so much.
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#40
If that was the case I agree with you but I'm not putting in the pot for the idle bastards
To milk the system harsh I know but I've got to the stage its look after no1 ......

When I had a serious accident no fucker wanted to help me just opsticle after opsticle and that hardens you up to think I'm all right jack because that's what everyone else does when your on your arse
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