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Today's announcements: 1,500 jobs going at John Lewis. 3,000 at Sainsburys. 1,000 at Lloyd's bank.

612 MP's don't care. Well done to those MPs who were able to think for themselves.

With itus not overrun, admissions not above yearly averages, predictions made on 3wk old data, respiratory deaths for the period down on 5 yr average here's the real cost coming down the line.

But it's all ok chaps. With the pandemic over already we can look forward to Boris telling us in December that he solved it all whilst the populus licks it up like cats sleeping cream soon a dish.

Quite probably the most damaging decision, most ludicrous one, a decision taken with no substantive evidence that the house has taken in 75 years .

Well done to those who lobbyed their MPs to refuse a second lockdown. The rest of you unfortunately are just as culpable.
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(11-05-2020, 10:55 AM)billybassett Wrote: Today's announcements: 1,500 jobs going at John Lewis. 3,000 at Sainsburys. 1,000 at Lloyd's bank.

612 MP's don't care. Well done to those MPs who were able to think for themselves.

With itus not overrun, admissions not above yearly averages, predictions made on 3wk old data, respiratory deaths for the period down on 5 yr average here's the real cost coming down the line.

But it's all ok chaps. With the pandemic over already we can look forward to Boris telling us in December that he solved it all whilst the populus licks it up like cats sleeping cream soon a dish.

Quite probably the most damaging decision, most ludicrous one, a decision taken with no substantive evidence that the house has taken in 75 years .

Well done to those who lobbyed their MPs to refuse a second lockdown. The rest of you unfortunately are just as culpable.

France – National Lockdown
Germany – Partial Lockdown
Italy – Sweeping new tier measures
Spain – New State Of Emergency
Belgium – curfew and closure of shops and restaurants
Portugal – Local lockdowns
Netherlands – Partial 4 week lockdown
Czech Republic – National lockdown
Denmark – Restricting social activity
ROI – New partial national lockdown
Greece – Curfew and restaurant closures in Athens and certain other areas

Not one of em taking billybasset's advice - shocking. They must all be destroying their economies on purpose then
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#3
Support your local shop and butchers.
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#4
"The rest of you." "Culpable"? In what way? Do you think Boris came to this conclusion because of what people post on this message board? Do you think "the rest of you" whoever they are, have his ear? Do you think we want a lockdown? Do you seriously believe that there is a public mood for this kind of action and that people who disagree with you - although personally I don't always - are in some way morally, politically or intellectually deficient?

Your self-certainty is not only egregious it is highly dubious. I have posted several times over the past few weeks, contradicting points you have made, with factual statements - not least those of "experts" whom you disagree with and you've ignored every single one. You seem to regard your wife's connection to "Big Pharma" as some kind of magic connection to a higher truth, and yet when other posters disagree, sometimes claiming connections to similarly, if not more impressive expertise, you instantly discount them.

You have no right to claim that people on this bored are culpable for the situation we are in and the decisions that are being made. You have no right to claim any authority for the one-sided statements you perpetuate - they are opinions based on selected and selective facts. You have no right to decide that those who disagree with you are in any way lesser individuals or less knowledgeable. Sometimes they may well be but often it is distinctly possible that they have a better understanding and knowledge of "facts" than you. Your inability to accept this is a kind of obsessive puritanism that is more religious than it is intellectual.

Given that most of the world disagree how the Covid outbreak should be dealt with it's hardly surprising there should be a lack of consensus on what should be done. Why you imagine you know the answer to such a complicated problem when so many experts don't I can only put down to the last sentence in the preceding paragraph.
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(11-05-2020, 11:16 AM)strawman Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 10:55 AM)billybassett Wrote: Today's announcements: 1,500 jobs going at John Lewis. 3,000 at Sainsburys. 1,000 at Lloyd's bank.

612 MP's don't care. Well done to those MPs who were able to think for themselves.

With itus not overrun, admissions not above yearly averages, predictions made on 3wk old data, respiratory deaths for the period down on 5 yr average here's the real cost coming down the line.

But it's all ok chaps. With the pandemic over already we can look forward to Boris telling us in December that he solved it all whilst the populus licks it up like cats sleeping cream soon a dish.

Quite probably the most damaging decision, most ludicrous one, a decision taken with no substantive evidence that the house has taken in 75 years .

Well done to those who lobbyed their MPs to refuse a second lockdown. The rest of you unfortunately are just as culpable.

France – National Lockdown
Germany – Partial Lockdown
Italy – Sweeping new tier measures
Spain – New State Of Emergency
Belgium – curfew and closure of shops and restaurants
Portugal – Local lockdowns
Netherlands – Partial 4 week lockdown
Czech Republic – National lockdown
Denmark – Restricting social activity
ROI – New partial national lockdown
Greece – Curfew and restaurant closures in Athens and certain other areas

Not one of em taking billybasset's advice - shocking. They must all be destroying their economies on purpose then

If you can't see it then that's fine. I mean some of those countries locked down pretty hard and were hard on masks. Take the Czech Republic. Guess what lockdowns and masks don't work in stopping endemic respiratory viruses. I can't wait for New Zealand next year (presuming they don't have some gestapo like must test negative approach to entering the country) as it will resurface without doubt.

And anyway my real point is the cost / benefit balance. There is none. More will die through this approach than we will save.
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(11-05-2020, 11:29 AM)billybassett Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 11:16 AM)strawman Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 10:55 AM)billybassett Wrote: Today's announcements: 1,500 jobs going at John Lewis. 3,000 at Sainsburys. 1,000 at Lloyd's bank.

612 MP's don't care. Well done to those MPs who were able to think for themselves.

With itus not overrun, admissions not above yearly averages, predictions made on 3wk old data, respiratory deaths for the period down on 5 yr average here's the real cost coming down the line.

But it's all ok chaps. With the pandemic over already we can look forward to Boris telling us in December that he solved it all whilst the populus licks it up like cats sleeping cream soon a dish.

Quite probably the most damaging decision, most ludicrous one, a decision taken with no substantive evidence that the house has taken in 75 years .

Well done to those who lobbyed their MPs to refuse a second lockdown. The rest of you unfortunately are just as culpable.

France – National Lockdown
Germany – Partial Lockdown
Italy – Sweeping new tier measures
Spain – New State Of Emergency
Belgium – curfew and closure of shops and restaurants
Portugal – Local lockdowns
Netherlands – Partial 4 week lockdown
Czech Republic – National lockdown
Denmark – Restricting social activity
ROI – New partial national lockdown
Greece – Curfew and restaurant closures in Athens and certain other areas

Not one of em taking billybasset's advice - shocking. They must all be destroying their economies on purpose then

If you can't see it then that's fine. I mean some of those countries locked down pretty hard and were hard on masks. Take the Czech Republic. Guess what lockdowns and masks don't work in stopping endemic respiratory viruses. I can't wait for New Zealand next year (presuming they don't have some gestapo like must test negative approach to entering the country) as it will resurface without doubt.

And anyway my real point is the cost / benefit balance. There is none. More will die through this approach than we will save.

Obviously not just me that can't see it then, must be the scientific advice of all those countries - of course this isn't in line with your mate Stanford professor John Ioannidis who seems to be seen by the mainstream scientists in much the same way that mainstream climate scientists view those that don't agree with them.

Bye now you need to up the anti-arrogance medication cause it's obviously not working.
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#7
It always pays to read the full stories rather than just the headlines:

"Despite the cutting of the 3,500 roles, the supermarket expects that it will have created about 6,000 net new jobs by the end of the year."
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(11-05-2020, 12:14 PM)Protheroe Wrote: It always pays to read the full stories rather than just the headlines:

"Despite the cutting of the 3,500 roles, the supermarket expects that it will have created about 6,000 net new jobs by the end of the year."

Shame on you. Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.
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#9
Furlough rumoured to be extended until March. Is this an indication of the length of the lockdown?
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#10
Furlough extended until March.

Hmmmm...
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