10-16-2020, 09:01 AM
(10-15-2020, 03:45 PM)Shabby Russian Wrote: I think the issue that Billy and Proth continue to miss or avoid is this.
What should the NHS do when demand for their services outstrips their ability to meet it.
From what i have gathered from their posts on this issue is that they think restrictions should be lifted. They both seem to think that this will not result in demand outstripping supply in the NHS, but offer very little in the way of evidence or logic to back this assumption up.
If their assumptions on this prove to be wrong, are they willing to accept a situation where people who have covid and need urgent hospital treatment are denied that treatment. It's a simple question but one that never seems to get answered.
"They both seem to think that this will not result in demand outstripping supply in the NHS": This happens every winter hence the issues that come round each year about people in corridors etc. We also by all accounts have a number of nightingale hospitals. Of course we all know that was just a PR stunt because we'll never have the staff to service them.
"It's a simple question but one that never seems to get answered.": they won't be denied treatment they may have to wait longer than they should have to - if only we had a well financed and organised NHS (Austria has more beds than us I think - will need to check again). That wait may well see a small proportion of the small proportion of covid patients that required treatment of the very small proportion of people "that test positive" (see previous posts about PCR test is useless) actually die because of poor treatment. We are talking about, tragically, in this hypothesis (because it's based on your hypothesis that we will run out beds) of a set of people who die. Maybe 100s say - and don't start to give me Clown Vallance's projections ffs.
If that's in one side of the measuring scale then the enormous grief, damage in all areas in the other half of the scale (non-Covid matters health and economy) is so much heavier it's embarrassing that any sane human would even consider that locking down further is in somehow a good idea. I'd say those people are almost culpable of manslaughter on a massive scale.