UK Covid death toll

[billybassett]

I mentioned this the other day but it was mainly ignored. If we are going to judge excess deaths then we are generally looking at a calendar year so 2017, 2018, 2019 etc. From that data it is of course possible to compare periods of time within those years so you can reasonably compare Mar-Apr for example against previous data.

The fact is that from March and April of 2020 with the increased death toll we shot ahead of the normal stats for excess deaths at that point in the year. Since then in order to 'get back on track' so to speak we would require less deaths than normal to offset the earlier surge. This hasn't happened and in all honesty can't be expected to happen either, certainly not enough to offset the large increase from spring time. However what has happened is that the monthly death figures (all causes) have not been anything out of the ordinary since then. So the question is 'Will we see another surge? or 'Will we see figures in line with other years?'.

We can't turn back time and rid ourselves of the 60k excess deaths but that is not the point. The point is have we now gained sufficient community immunity that we won't see the scale of deaths that were around in spring? Obviously SAGE think we will see the same impact so they have advised the Govt to lockdown. Other scientists don't think the impact will be anywhere near the same as they assume a much higher level of immunity in the community.

I doubt anyone argues that lockdown in March was not needed - but is lockdown needed now?

Exactly. As I've stated the March lockdown was probably necessary to ensure we understood what the virus was and how to treat it. The length of it is very debatable.

The point I've been trying to make is that since July there's been no actual need to put the country back into any lockdown position. The net result, the full net result, will be to do more harm than good.

SAGE have constantly peddled RWCS. For this lockdown it was based on out of date data using the wrong assumptions (i.e. that 90% of us could still catch it). Fraud on a massive scale. Also they refuse to publish the false positive rate for the PCR. It's a total scandal and there's no other tests of this nature done anywhere in the world over the past 50 years by reputable scientists that have been peer reviewed and replicated that have never published an FPR.

But thankfully the Liverpool army test is going to blow that out of the water - but I'm sure the millions of pounds of PR machine being spent is coming up with a spin.

And yes baggy1 I do understand excess deaths. But as you keep avoiding there's no way in hell they were all death of covid or even had infections covid rna. I would factor an order of 50% weren't covid.