UK Covid death toll

[baggy1]

Here's one for you Deko

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationa...tember2020

You think you're saving lives banging the everyone must be saved at all costs drum. You're probably actually killing more of them just slowly

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Also extending my post re the army tests yesterday the govt has published:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/oxfor...=immediate

220 positive from 44k tests. False positive rate 0.36% positives rate 0.5%

So even though nobody actually responded to the info I put about this yesterday this is again a damning verdict once more in the sense that there are no positives in that batch of tests and the PCR test that is giving 2.5% positives is producing mainly false positives as I've been saying for months.

If the projections of cases and admissions was based on this data rather than what Sage would like with the PCR (so they can sell their tests and make money from a vaccine ) we'd now be living our lives normally and not.killing ourselves slowly.

But to do that of course would mean politicians and sage admitting they are wrong. I'd be better off searching for hens teeth rather than waiting for that.

I expect no response but you should really be writing to your mp about this fraud.

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Possibly SM - if that's the case it isn't excess deaths and that's what I think Billy is getting confused over. To get a real understanding it has to be like for like.

I'm not confused about what excess deaths are. Seems like I'm the only one on here not confused by the PCR test invalidity though.

So you want to base predictions on cases and admissions on testing asymptomatic people, not people who actually have symptoms or even on real life cases, admissions and ICU occupancy. Nuts

This is such a bizarre reply baggy1. I've never said anything such. Tells me a lot about where your mind is re this testing. The PCR test tests asymptomatic people. It tests literally thousands and thousands of them every day. Unless you're telling me seriously 300,000 people had symptoms yesterday. Obviously not.

I've said for months we shouldn't be testing anyone unless they show symptoms. I've consistently said we should also use a test that is fit for purpose, i.e. thermocycle les than 24 times, use 2 primers, publish the false positive rate (like they do on every other test - even the army one now is published so why not the PCR test FFS) and if a positive returns test then do a second test to confirm. That's called proper lab testing.

If, and only if, on that basis we had thousands of actual cases every day then yes I'd be worried. But we don't and the Liverpool army test goes to prove how wrong that PCR test is.

We've been living since June in a "casedemic" not an epidemic. I'd have thought the penny may have dropped for many but seemingly not, they can't get past "cases" as portrayed on BBC. I found it a little sinister in June that once the deaths chart wasn't a compelling graph all the MSM moved to a cases chart that had a nice rising curve.

Hospital admissions aren't stretched for this time of year (other than for the reason 1000s of nurses and doctors are being told to self isolate even though they are perfectly fine - all based on the PCR test again), excess deaths are in line for this time of year - but yes lets see how they get on as per my previous post with the graphs that's been ignored, lockdowns don't work and masks are a waste of time.

I'm surprised baggy1 that you slurr me for no reason but make no attempt to counter the army testing numbers.

Apart from the obvious fact that it isn't me that you have quoted there or slurred you I will attempt to answer the points with my views.

I've never once referred in all of the posts with a view on testing apart from early days saying it is pointless comparing testing data as it is inconsistent. It is also pointless taking about tests when you don't know how many individuals have been tested.

Testing people only with symptoms seems counterproductive when the general belief is that the disease can be spread by asymptomatic people. Testing en masse means that you can identify who has got it, even asymptomatic, and ask them to isolate and therefore reduce the spread until they have completed a two week period. That seems sensible to me.

I've no opinion on the testing and the success rate because I haven't looked at it, that is why I haven't made any opinions on it.

June is the summer and it wasn't spreading as much because we were outdoors and schools / unis were off. Those things have reversed now and we are seeing an increase in hospitalisations, who would have thought, eh? Again I've avoided talking about cases because it's a meaningless point unless you have 100% of the population tested - you keep asking me for an opinion on that, I've never talked about cases - see testing above.

You talk about hospital beds as if the whole hospital is one big dormitory and doctors / nurses as one big homogenous pot - there are 5900 ICU / CCU beds in England, there are a very limited number of critical care doctors and nurses as well. Covid treatment involves ICU / CCU mainly, when that starts spilling over into other areas then we have problems. Hospitalisations are increasing but happily seem to be slowing down, I'll update later when I get yesterday's figures in but it's looking positive. That is probably down to the higher tier lockdowns that occurred a few weeks ago in the north that has helped reduce the spread. We are over 2/3rds of the way to the maximum amount for April / May and it was heading to go well past it until measures were put in place - I've shown the figures consistently for the past few weeks.

Your graphs are at best misleading and if i'm honest basically shite - you don't understand the data behind them (comparing winter deaths with spring summer deaths is not excess deaths) and you put them out as if they are fact. 

So no I didn't slur you and you have got that carried away with proving your 'facts' that you think that I did somehow. I've kept to two simple facts throughout - excess deaths and hospitalisations. They are good indicators for this real threat that is happening and, I think, useful for people on here. As for tests and cases, you've got me mixed up with someone else as I've never bothered with them as they are pointless stats IMO.