UK Covid death toll

[backsidebaggie]

Spring 2025?

Covid aint going away ever bb. Spanish Flu took 5 years to give any sort of herd immunity and we need to accept that no matter how much we whinge about personal rights to have the jab or not or any restrictions that get placed on us covid doesn't care. We have made great strides over the last 2 years in providing us with protection from it but we need to keep up the work for the foreseeable future.

Anybody that doesn't recognise that after the last couple of years needs to give their heads a wobble - if anyone comes into contact with the vulnerable then they need to understand that they need to do everything they can to protect them and that includes jabs, masks and protective equipment, washing hands and whatever it takes. If people don't want to have jabs and they work with the vulnerable then that is their choice but don't be surprised if they aren't allowed near the vulnerable and, if there are no alternative duties for them, they may lose that job.

They shouldn't be surprised also that they face restrictions on travel to other countries and, if we do hit another wave of hospitalisations and deaths like before (it doesn't look like that at the moment but as we have seen it is hard to predict), they could face restrictions on what they do. You can argue until you are blue in the face about people who have antibodies through having had the virus but they need to get all steps complete including jabs, because as you point out, we simply don't know enough about this yet.

I'm well aware this isn't ending, I've been saying this for a long time, that the jabs would not do enough. Its those that thought they would work that need to give their head a wobble. 15M jabs to freedom said Hancock, LOL. You really think another 10% is going to make much difference? We never hear about herd immunity anymore, I wonder why!

Ireland have a huge vaccination uptake, covid passes, masks indoors, and their cases are rocketing. So how does that work?

The care workers being sacked is absurd. Testing was doing fine. Now there's a huge shortage in the care sector and care will suffer. The vax's effects against transmission are limited anyway.

NHS staff next. Who sacks NHS staff in a pandemic? LOL!! I know, lets wreck the NHS even more! Great idea!!

It makes me laugh how long people have been saying one last push. Its NEVER ending. the forseable future? Well, yes..... donkeys years.

Austria have just announced a mandated vaccine on 1 February. Everywhere will be like that eventually.  We've gone from "we're all in this together, just a few weeks to flatten the curve", to sack people in certain jobs in 18 months, and banning people from places even if they haven't got covid (in Scotland, and England soon). I'll give you a clue as to where we'll be in another 18 months..... see Austria, who have just confirmed the vaccine is being mandated for everyone. Your medical autonomy owned by the state? In relation to a vaccine that we're still finding out about? (its only recently we are finding that its effects against transmission aren't great). Against a disease that we're still finding out about?

Covid passes, mandated vaccines, segregation in some countries, were all conspiracy theories 15 months ago. Now here we are and it shows no sign of stopping. And what's more, the covid passes don't even seem to work looking at the state of the European countries that brought them in (see Germany, France, Ireland amongst others). But enough people will still go along with it, despite there being no scientific evidence that they work (and that's before the moral argument). And I'm sure enough people would now be happy to see unvaccinated people confined to their homes. What is being "normalised" is frightening IMO. The fact is many were told get the vaccine for freedom. Now its boosters. I know you hate this phrase, but the goalposts have now moved so far they're not even on the same pitch!

You call it whinging about personal rights. Many call it fundamental liberties. Its amazing what has been normalised for some people. And its amazing that anyone thinks another few per cent having a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission is going to stop this. You say people "need" to take all the steps. Well some don't want to, and as I've said before, bodily autonomy is ours, not the states. 90% have done what they were asked, and we're still looking at further restrictions. You really think you're going to "persuade" the other 10%? No chance!! What's happened over the last year will have made them even LESS likely to change their mind. Can't you see that?

I think many many people will want to know what the end game is here. And if the scientists don't know, then many people are going to ignore them in relation to their other "advice".

Then comes the force.... mandations, using the division already created against those who don't want the vaccines, including a disproportionate amount of the poor, and ethnic minorities. Those who don't want it are to blame! Turn those who have done the "right thing" onto those who are "selfish". There's a reason this division has been planted. All in this together? LOL.