UK Covid death toll

[Derek Hardballs]

Well I’ve just had my booster jab and will be carrying on as normal. Every now and then I will dip in to this thread and remind myself why we have seen consistently high infection rates in this country for months.

Oddly now Europe are having similar infection rates or more in Germany’s case it’s an issue again with some in the U.K. when it was just us it was nothing to see here it’s all fine! At least those countries are trying to curb their infection rates. We have a Primark Minister who can’t even be arsed to wear a fugging mask in a hospital without being reminded, or the House of Commons!

They're trying to curb their infection rates with further methods that have absolutely no scientific evidence of working (vax passports), or in Austria's case, segregation and forced vaccinations from February, with fines and imprisonment if people don't comply. The vaccine does not prevent transmission, and increasingly looks like its poor at even reducing it.

Similar measures will be coming soon here (despite not making any scientific sense), they just know they can't get away with it at the moment. Until they've "persuaded" enough people its proportionate by labelling people into groups and causing a poisonous divide.

Meanwhile, people argue about absolute bollocks like whether Boris has a mask on, instead of looking at the bigger picture at whether the measures are working worldwide, medical autonomy vs state control, what the fuck we're going to do about the care sector and NHS being decimated by losing staff to vax mandates (when I repeat, it does not prevent transmission and testing was working ok). Stop the pandemic, sack NHS staff! Genius!

It’s not a trivial matter to expect the Prime Minister to set an example of safety at all times in a hospital. He sets the tone for what is and isn’t acceptable. For example what message does it send out when you see most of the Conservative party at PMQs can’t even be bothered to wear a mask? We have had consistently high infection rates now for months and yet we do nothing about them. This complete disregard for the vulnerable be they jabbed or can’t be in this country is an awful indictment of its moral compass. 

Those staff who have left or will leave their employment had a choice. Choosing not to helps literally no one including themselves let alone those they care for.

It is a completely trivial matter compared with the stuff we are talking about. Totally trivial.

Those staff who have left had a choice? Yes, I had a choice when I was asked for money or threatened to have the shit kicked out of me a few years ago one night. Some fucking choice. Coercion isn't choice. That argument can be used to "force" literally anything onto anyone. Its a crap argument and you know it.

Many are happily moving to other minimum wage jobs, as the crap pay in care means they have been able to get similar paying jobs in shops/hospitality. So it hasn't harmed them. Its harmed the patients. Can't you see this???

And yet again, I must repeat, the science indicates that the vaccines are not very good at preventing transmission! Testing has worked fine for care staff. There is no scientific reason to do this.

And I must add again, if you think this will end at care and NHS staff, you are beyond naive. Its creeping. How some can't see this, I have no idea. Look at other countries and the "direction of travel".

The discussion should be where we're going as a whole. Fines and prison in Austria. Fines and prison! Give it a month, they'll be joined by a couple more countries. For a vaccine that, I'll say again, does NOT prevent transmission. This is fucking insanity.

Do you want to give that level of power to the state? I fucking don't!! You're a massive huge critic of Johnson (and I don't blame you), but you're happy to see this lot hold this level of power over people? And not concerned we will move towards what's happening in Austria? You're stuck at arguing and debating the small things like whether the prick has a mask on, rather than the big questions and the big picture, and the patterns which we're seeing throughout the west.

The situation is extremely complicated and there are no right or wrong answers, which is why every country is scrabbling around in the dark trying to find a solution. Some are showing more compassion and thought for the vulnerable and others than others it has to be said. Some are trying to minimise the death of their population such as New Zealand and some are pretty much letting it rip (you can decide which countries are doing this). 

The vaccine reduces transmission it was never claimed it stopped it. 

Taking away the choice of the vulnerable to be cared for by someone who has had the jab, is taking away the rights of that person. They can't walk away from the decisions of others and frankly I'm on the side of the underdog not the fittest they can look after themselves. 

I imagine most Doctors and Nurses are utterly fed up of seeing those who have refused the jab in hospital after the grinding hard work they have put in now for two years. They must feel like they are hitting their head against a brick wall. 

I wouldn't want those in this government running anything but we are stuck with them, and thanks to those who voted for them they can push through any awful, not fit for purpose, dodgy legislation they wish. 

I can't feel much sympathy for those who refuse the vaccine without a medical reason, because I know those who would love to have it but can't and as a result of others who refuse the vaccine, refuse to wear masks, refuse to keep their distance, refuse to have lateral flow tests are put at serious risk every time they go out or their families have to go to work or school etc.

Of course I can see the problems that losing staff will cause, it's a massive problem, but so is trying to manage our way as a country out of a pandemic with so many refusing to have a vaccine that whatever anyone argues to the contrary clearly helps reduce death and serious illness.

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If my locality is anything to go by then cases are through the roof. Higher than ever in these parts - mostly amongst the double vaxxed.

Yes and those in hospital are mainly unvaccinated... and given you said only a few weeks ago how high the take up of vaccination were in your area it's hardly surprising they are the most infected!