(11-22-2021, 11:18 AM)backsidebaggie Wrote: You just don’t get it do you. People were told vaccination would get us out of this. 15M jabs for freedom. We have significant amounts vaccinated (including the vast majority of the vulnerable) but it’s not ending. Now many people are refusing to go through the sane things as last winter again, because of the vaccine take up is as high as it is, and it’s still not stopping spread, another few per cent ain’t making much difference.
I don’t propose anything for Belgium or the Netherlands. I’m just saying that an increasing number of people have had enough. That is clear. People are also looking at the big picture when it comes to some countries mandating vaccines or facing prison, or being segregated from society. This was a conspiracy theory last year.
There’s only two ways of changing some minds: total segregation from society, or force. Fuck that!
I’m not sure the evidence suggests the vaccine reduces spread substantially. It does reduce it, but substantially?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...1/fulltext
But anyway, people have made their mind up. And many have had enough when we were told by “the science” that vaccines were the way out. We were NOT told that this includes people being sacked if they don’t want it, or worse in some countries.
“Ignoring in the name of freedom” is very lazy. Medical autonomy is very important to many people. If you don’t get that, and you don’t get that people have serious issues with large fines and prison in Austria, then you’re really missing the point.
Put simply, many people don’t believe the governments any more. And given the lies, the inconsistencies, the promises, I’m not surprised.
I do get it and your stance that only you get it says more about your views than mine. You are basing your point on comments from an incompetent PM and failure of a human being, let alone health minister. Ignore what they said at the time, it was meaningless then and it still is.
Vaccination is one tool in the box, it will take years (and it always was going to) before we have anything near herd immunity to get us through this, and in the meantime we have to use all of the tools available in that toolbox. Vaccination is the easiest option along with washing hands and wearing masks, misinformation has led to many people 'distrusting' what the medical community have said and advise on - forget about idiot politicians and their soundbites and listen to the experts. If we need to use bigger spanners in the box then that isn't a way of politically controlling the masses, it's because they are needed to save lives.
I have absolutely no idea why you are even paying attention to something Matt Hancock or Boris Johnson said nearly two years ago. Everyone has learned so much more over the last two years, nothing more obvious than politicians are muppets and we should ignore them and listen to the experts.
(11-22-2021, 11:18 AM)Tom Joad Wrote: FWIW, I am hearing of far more cases now than I have in previous Covid waves. With one absolutely tragic exception, all have either recovered or not had the virus affect them too much. I'm still uncertain about the morality of enforced Covid vaccinations and boosters, although I'm happy enough to get my booster when I'm 6 months on from my 2nd jab.
Definitely seen some closer to home this time Tom and agree they don't seem to be leading to anything other than recovery. Like you I'm happy to get jabbed and am booked in for my booster next week.