UK Covid death toll

[Ted Maul]

Not being able to visit the odd holiday destination is not the same as being fined, imprisoned, not being able to work, being locked down. Just a slight difference!!

Experts are experts, but should policies be totally determined by them? They are experts in a field, but are they experts on knock on effects? What are the knock on effects of a mandation? There's plenty!

Now, I'll throw a totally hypothetical situation out there:

Say someone does 10,000 miles in a car a year. They do many of those miles going to see their elderly family on weekends who live out in the sticks. The experts decide that due to climate change, every individual can do max 3000 miles. That's it. Its a climate emergency. Max 3000 miles a year, per person. We can't argue. They're experts. There's no way any of us can argue with their science. Its "the science".

This severely limits that person's quality of life with their family. They can't see them very often. There's no way they can do public transport due to the area of the country their parents live. It would be a ridiculous journey or bus/train/change train/bus/bus, and the times make it impossible as this person travels after working long hours and has to travel late Saturday and come back Sunday night.

But that's it. The expert says its required to get to net zero. So no questions, put up with it. One word against it, and that person gets called a "climate denier". Its required, there's definitely a climate emergency, no one can argue with that. So that's it, if the expert in THAT field says its required, its required. You can only see the family 10 times a year instead of every saturday night/sunday. The experts said so. Disagree and you're a "climate change denier". This is what is happening RIGHT NOW with vaccines. There are about half a million true anti vax people in the uk. Covid propaganda has ensured that's now 5 million. Even though the vast majority have taken tons of vaccines, and still would. I must also be a vegetarian because I don't eat rabbit according to this logic.

That the kind of world you want to live in? This is where I talk about the bigger picture.

I'm not arguing with the vaccine scientists. But is the expert on viruses also an expert on social and economic effects of mandation? An expert on effects of segregation? A behavioural expert? Will crime go up? Will people in poverty be more effected? Ethnic minorities? Are they experts on all this? Or are they experts on just the vaccines? Therefore is there more to it than simply following experts? In addition, are the experts compromised by money? 'Follow the money' is always a good idea. Do you trust the government experts to be absolutely 100% true to science and not be affected by financial gain?

I have to admit, the lack of seeing the bigger picture here absolutely fucking staggers me. I'm dumbfounded.

The knock on effect is that hundreds if not thousands of lives have been saved, thousands have been kept out of hospital and for the last five months life for the majority has been close to normal. Which fair enough, is obviously a happy accident.

I don't think you're anti-vax fwiw and I get the point r.e forcing people to do things. However, your big picture argument has to take into account that these vaccines only exist because we're in the middle of a pandemic that has killed millions across the globe. Scientists didn't wake up 12 months ago and think "fuck me, let's plough people full of this funky serum and see what flys". The big picture, to me, would suggest that there is nothing gained to society by having us locked down or restricted. They aren't going to start vaccinating people with things for no reason.

I talked about the knock on effects of mandation and state control. The knock on effect of saving lives is not a knock on effect. That's a direct effect.

I fully believe these vaccines will be forever. I hope I'm wrong.

I also think many many parents believe there is no reason to vaccinate kids, I know some parents (who are vaccinated themselves) that are adamant their kids won't be having it.

But that's the point. If rampant state control and mandation was to happen, it would have by now. The only reason it's happening now are because of the huge direct benefits of the vaccination programme. I don't care if they're forever, it takes twenty minutes to get a jab and I tend to have a yearly flu jab anyway. If it means we can continue living free unaffected lives then what problem. Giving members one injection per year does not equal mass state control and coercion for me.