12-02-2021, 07:57 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-02-2021, 08:03 PM by backsidebaggie.)
(12-02-2021, 07:09 PM)Tom Joad Wrote:backsidebaggie Wrote:Whoa there! At no point have I said that. My point was in the spirit of the thread in general and not part of your pet subject. I've waited for a chance to meet this guy as he normally is a decent conversationalist and I'm actually interested how he comes to be of that opinion.baggiebuckster Wrote:So are you saying everyone is either pro Vax and follows the experts like you do or a complete anti vaxxer like your mate?
The majority of people against these mandates are at neither end of that scale.
Exactly, and its staggering that we have to keep reminding people of that. Its incredible how easy it is to cause division.
Its also staggering that people seem to think policies can be based on experts in a field, which are certainly NOT experts in all fields that are intertwined in a complex system that is society in general.
I'm repeating myself again, but I'm bloody amazed how many people can't see the bigger picture here. Scientists recommend vaccines, so its fine to mandate (for some). Really?????? My god the implications are huge!
FWIW, I am also uneasy at the idea of compulsory vaccinations but I have yet to hear a truly reasoned argument against it. All I get is self styled freedom fighters complaining they aren't free. Well I'm going for a few pints tonight before going to work tomorrow to get ready for a weekend of watching football and meeting friends. What freedom are they seeking?
Sorry I didn’t mean you mate. I’m just concerned many have been persuaded it’s ok without thinking about wider implications.
(12-02-2021, 07:22 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(12-02-2021, 07:09 PM)Tom Joad Wrote:backsidebaggie Wrote:Whoa there! At no point have I said that. My point was in the spirit of the thread in general and not part of your pet subject. I've waited for a chance to meet this guy as he normally is a decent conversationalist and I'm actually interested how he comes to be of that opinion.baggiebuckster Wrote:So are you saying everyone is either pro Vax and follows the experts like you do or a complete anti vaxxer like your mate?
The majority of people against these mandates are at neither end of that scale.
Exactly, and its staggering that we have to keep reminding people of that. Its incredible how easy it is to cause division.
Its also staggering that people seem to think policies can be based on experts in a field, which are certainly NOT experts in all fields that are intertwined in a complex system that is society in general.
I'm repeating myself again, but I'm bloody amazed how many people can't see the bigger picture here. Scientists recommend vaccines, so its fine to mandate (for some). Really?????? My god the implications are huge!
FWIW, I am also uneasy at the idea of compulsory vaccinations but I have yet to hear a truly reasoned argument against it. All I get is self styled freedom fighters complaining they aren't free. Well I'm going for a few pints tonight before going to work tomorrow to get ready for a weekend of watching football and meeting friends. What freedom are they seeking?
Unilateral alteration of the social contract between the state and the individual, particularly concerning in the context of governments not liking to hand back powers (anti-terrorism legislation) as well as the risk of a two tier society in turn inflicting collateral in those who fall into one camp through no fault of their own.
For what it's worth, everyone who is wilfully not getting vaccinated is a massive moron alongside those who don't wear masks.
That’s one thing if you think they’re a moron.. but do you think they should be segregated from society, fined, imprisoned etc? Or do you defend their right to be a moron. That’s the crucial point.
Do you think parents are morons for not vaccinating kids? I reckon that might cover half… just a guess.