Anti-mask wearers

[Baggie_Nick]

I generally class myself as Libertarian.

Most Libertarians are fucking stupid to be honest. There is a difference between ideology and reality. And it takes no brain power to see that at the moment reality takes precedence over ideology.

Post of the year on here.


Just wear a mask. It's not pleasant at all. But if it helps save lives (which it does) then it's out duty,surely.

I hate wearing them. But I shall do.

[Borin' Baggie]

Because I don't believe masking up in a convenience store is anything to do with the negligible risk of the virus spreading.

You'll have to forgive my cynicism when the state wants to control that, but lets mass protests go, celebrations at Liverpool, Leeds & the Albion and block parties every weekend in Covid hotspots

If you want to live your life in fear then be my guest. if you want to be compliant with this and everything else that's coming (£££) then be my guest.

I've spent the last 16 weeks getting my life in order, setting up another company to take advantage of the economic fallout and shielding assets to keep them away from Rishi. Masking up is the thin end of a very thick wedge - we're being softened up for a good fisting.

I'm a liberal, I like having personal choice and I abhor a government telling me what to do.

I'm wearing a mask because there are no downsides, there are clear upsides (as minute as you think they may do) and if everyone wore one we might be able to get stuff back to normal as soon as possible.

Just wear a bloody mask when you're around other people.

[Derek Hardballs]

What colour is the sky on your planet?

The one consistent feature of the UK government's response to the pandemic is that it has generally been too little and too late; something Boris Johnson has today begun to lay the groundwork for acknowledging. The wearing of masks is a relatively minor imposition which will probably have some benefits, possibly significant ones. If it turns out, with hindsight, to have been a bit 'belt & braces' then far better that than to have yet again missed the boat.

It's a strip of fabric; hardly Tiananmen Square.

There is a theme that seems to run through many (not all before the usual suspects misquote me) of individuals who are against masks. Ardent Brexiteers, think of themselves as patriots, climate change sceptics, anti-vaccination, tend to follow or read right wing columnists like Toby Young etc and proclaim themselves as Libertarians.

A few years ago they would have been on the margins of political influence now they have one hand worryingly it seems on the tiller of the rickety ship U.K. I do worry which direction this country is heading. Possibly shit creek unless we can steer back to the centre.

Your trawling the depths even for you this time. Another ridiculously sweeping statement with no back up (Yet. I do await the proof of course).  Just how many of the 17.4 million leave voters are against wearing masks?  
As you keep pointing out it was we elder, selfish racists who voted leave, yet it was that generation that had a mid to high 90s % take up of MMR before the controversy in 1989. It is young parents who are frightened by scare stories who are against vaccines not extreme right wingers. Unless, of course you are suggesting that near 20% of new parents are Neo Nazi.
The only theme detectable is in your head and the only tendency is for you to make unsubstantiated statements based on your own anecdotal 'evidence'. 
I await you proving the statement that "Many" leave voters are against wearing masks in shops.

If you take a look at Twitter you will see that there is a correlation. Yes the anti-vax is probably the least linked but when you have right wing, Brexiteer columnists calling face masks ‘Muzzles’ and saying it’s against their Libertarian values etc then I’m comfortable saying there is a theme.
 
You are free to disagree and you will note that I didn’t say all or the majority just many of those I’ve read comments from on Twitter and elsewhere like the radio. There will also be many Brexit voters who are as baffled and annoyed with those who refuse to wear mask as well.

[PeakBaggie]

Because I don't believe masking up in a convenience store is anything to do with the negligible risk of the virus spreading.

You'll have to forgive my cynicism when the state wants to control that, but lets mass protests go, celebrations at Liverpool, Leeds & the Albion and block parties every weekend in Covid hotspots

If you want to live your life in fear then be my guest. if you want to be compliant with this and everything else that's coming (£££) then be my guest.

I've spent the last 16 weeks getting my life in order, setting up another company to take advantage of the economic fallout and shielding assets to keep them away from Rishi. Masking up is the thin end of a very thick wedge - we're being softened up for a good fisting.

Your not wrong in some respects, but 60,000.have already passed and to help save few more 
Souls you would rather protect your assets and principles than just the chance that a mask or 
A scuba suit might save people

That is why so many become concerned with the Tory party or those connected with it.

[JOK]

There is a theme that seems to run through many (not all before the usual suspects misquote me) of individuals who are against masks. Ardent Brexiteers, think of themselves as patriots, climate change sceptics, anti-vaccination, tend to follow or read right wing columnists like Toby Young etc and proclaim themselves as Libertarians.

A few years ago they would have been on the margins of political influence now they have one hand worryingly it seems on the tiller of the rickety ship U.K. I do worry which direction this country is heading. Possibly shit creek unless we can steer back to the centre.

Your trawling the depths even for you this time. Another ridiculously sweeping statement with no back up (Yet. I do await the proof of course).  Just how many of the 17.4 million leave voters are against wearing masks?  
As you keep pointing out it was we elder, selfish racists who voted leave, yet it was that generation that had a mid to high 90s % take up of MMR before the controversy in 1989. It is young parents who are frightened by scare stories who are against vaccines not extreme right wingers. Unless, of course you are suggesting that near 20% of new parents are Neo Nazi.
The only theme detectable is in your head and the only tendency is for you to make unsubstantiated statements based on your own anecdotal 'evidence'. 
I await you proving the statement that "Many" leave voters are against wearing masks in shops.

If you take a look at Twitter you will see that there is a correlation. Yes the anti-vax is probably the least linked but when you have right wing, Brexiteer columnists calling face masks ‘Muzzles’ and saying it’s against their Libertarian values etc then I’m comfortable saying there is a theme.
 
You are free to disagree and you will note that I didn’t say all or the majority just many of those I’ve read comments from on Twitter and elsewhere like the radio. There will also be many Brexit voters who are as baffled and annoyed with those who refuse to wear mask as well.

I don't want to "take a look" at twatter thanks. There you go again, taking social media and twatter in particular as  indisputable evidence to back up a wild assertion.  There are 13.7 million users of that medium in the U.K. 20% ish of the population, so hardly a convincing representation.  64% are under 50 years of age, 38% under 29. So I would assume that the majority of those are not Brexit supporters or 'Libertarians' (the new buzz word) for that matter. So. I don't think a few load mouthed cranks can be taken as irrefutable proof that 'many' Anti maskers are Leave supporters.
I did ask you to quantify "many". How do you know who or how many of those that "tend" to read or follow certain outspoken opinion columnist are the ones who refuse to wear masks? 
Just because certain people may share an idea or principle doesn't mean they share ALL their views. Hitler liked dogs and classical music, does that make me a Nazi? I share a love of history with Eric Hobsbawm, so am I a Marxist? which is it? 
Your rabid, all pervading fixation with Brexit makes you link every thing and everyone you perceive as negative with it. 
So, in conclusion, were I to waste valuable seconds of my life reading the rantings of outspoken, braindead loons on twatter, I don't think that I would find a correlation between selfish, anti maskers and anti vaccine nutters and leave supporters.

[EastMidsBaggie]

Because I don't believe masking up in a convenience store is anything to do with the negligible risk of the virus spreading.

You'll have to forgive my cynicism when the state wants to control that, but lets mass protests go, celebrations at Liverpool, Leeds & the Albion and block parties every weekend in Covid hotspots

If you want to live your life in fear then be my guest. if you want to be compliant with this and everything else that's coming (£££) then be my guest.

I've spent the last 16 weeks getting my life in order, setting up another company to take advantage of the economic fallout and shielding assets to keep them away from Rishi. Masking up is the thin end of a very thick wedge - we're being softened up for a good fisting.

Wow !

A real summary of what's wrong with our society today.
So many totally steeped in greed, selfishness and bigoted idealogy (both far left and right by the way).

We are in the middle of an unprecedented global pandemic that is killing and maiming people in alarming numbers.

Our pitiful government have handled it appallingly yet they have, belatedly, made the right call on the masks now.
Those that choose to ignore are a risk to all of us.

[baggy1]

Because I don't believe masking up in a convenience store is anything to do with the negligible risk of the virus spreading.

You'll have to forgive my cynicism when the state wants to control that, but lets mass protests go, celebrations at Liverpool, Leeds & the Albion and block parties every weekend in Covid hotspots

If you want to live your life in fear then be my guest. if you want to be compliant with this and everything else that's coming (£££) then be my guest.

I've spent the last 16 weeks getting my life in order, setting up another company to take advantage of the economic fallout and shielding assets to keep them away from Rishi. Masking up is the thin end of a very thick wedge - we're being softened up for a good fisting.

Lets look at this in the whole shall we - 'negligible risk of the virus spreading' - this indicates that you don't think this virus spreads around, how do you think it transmits around the globe. I'm guessing by now that it has reached all countries on the planet, how did that happen? Maybe it was from the socialist utopia where we all hold each others hand around the world.

'don't believe masking up in a convenience store' - why not? I actually don't believe you think this, this has to be a wind up from a self confessed wind up artist, to get the 'lefties' frothing at the mouth. Don't fall for this one folks, he'll make out at some future date it was a wind up.

'Mass protests and celebrations' - what did you want the state to do, wade in, disperse, arrest - you are actually arguing that there should be more state control to highlight the small bit you don't like is 'the thin end of a very think wedge' - I'm calling bollocks again. You and all of us agree that we don't want to lock down and punish people for the freedoms we are allowed.

We're not 'living in fear' or even worried about 'everything else that is coming' and by '£££' i'm guessing you mean taxes and repaying the debt amounts to get this country back on it's feet. Bring it on, I will be more than happy to contribute to making this country stronger. By the way that you are the only one talking about it indicates you are the one 'living in fear'.

It looks like you have decided that you shouldn't pay for the country that you take advantage of through it's freedoms, schooling, health service, policing and all of the other benefits that you gain from being in a democracy. Yet you are happy for your viewpoint to be forced on others through the freedoms that you don't want to support.

But like I said, I don't believe a word of what you said, you're a wind up merchant and should be judged like that. I'm off out to prepare myself for fisting by the government, that I didn't vote in, and don't agree with the direction they are taking the country, but will do it for the long term good of the society I live in, contribute to and have benefitted from.

[JOK]

Because I don't believe masking up in a convenience store

I've spent the last 16 weeks getting my life in order, setting up another company to take advantage of the economic fallout and shielding assets to keep them away from Rishi. Masking up is the thin end of a very thick wedge - we're being softened up for a good fisting.

So let’s get this right. You are intent and happy to profit from peoples financial misery following the pandemic and to evade tax on those profits made by your new ‘business’?

Sounds as though you have a vested interest in as many people as possible contracting the  virus and even more disruption to our lives for as long as possible.
Nice chap.

[Protheroe]

So let’s get this right. You are intent and happy to profit from peoples financial misery following the pandemic and to evade tax on those profits made by your new ‘business’?

Actuallly no. I'm doing exactly what I did in the last recession and starting another business to provide gainful employment to others.

I've never evaded any form of tax in my life, but my post tax assets are in government approved envelopes like ISAs and a SIPP and in CGT exempt commodities. I strongly suggest everyone else does the same.

So no, not right JOK.

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you're a wind up merchant

Well spotted. I wore my mask in the Co-Op like a good boy, but not in the pub because apparently you can't catch it there.

[baggy1]

You’re also trying to distance yourself from the pathetic mob that you not only voted for, but supported and actually canvassed for. You need to grow some and own the shit that they dish out because , as Dekka says, as soon as something goes right you’ll be all over it.