Spain and quarantine
#1
I appreciate the lack of consistency in decision making and bizarre blanket ban but why are people acting so shocked and angrily at having to quarantine given they went on holiday abroad during a pandemic?
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#2
Because they're thick.
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#3
I'm playing devil's advocate here, but if I was a holidaymaker abroad right now, I might be fuming because the government have brought this in with no warning (thus giving them no chance of making arrangements to come back home earlier to avoid quarantine). I'm not saying the government are wrong but the decision to make people wear masks in shops was taken over a week before it came into effect. There's no consistency. But no surprise there.
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#4
It's not just people going for holiday's though. I was in Spain last week for business. Once the cases started to rise again I flew back asap so haven't been caught up in this. If I had then I wouldn't be annoyed, but as chasetown said I'd be wondering why this rule came into play immediately without the opportunity to get back while "you have to start wearing masks after 12 o clock midnight in two Fridays time" wasn't immediate.
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#5
I can understand a family risking it if they've saved hard, booked months ago and couldn't get a refund so felt they should go on their holiday. Everyone else on holiday - tough! Don't go abroad til next year. It seems the Europeans understand it - I was in Scotland the end of last week and usually there would be about half the number of EU plated cars as Brits, but I only saw about 4 dutch vehicles in total.
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#6
The Europeans are avoiding Britan maybe but certainly not each other. I was in both St Johann in Tirol and Lake Garda for work over the past week. Both totally rammed (mostly with Germans).

If you'd been given the all clear by the gov't to travel and then done so, I don't think its unreasonable or 'thick' to be fuming when they suddenly pull a 180 overnight.
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#7
(07-28-2020, 12:55 PM)ChamonixBaggie Wrote: The Europeans are avoiding Britan maybe but certainly not each other. I was in both St Johann in Tirol and Lake Garda for work over the past week. Both totally rammed (mostly with Germans).

If you'd been given the all clear by the gov't to travel and then done so, I don't think its unreasonable or 'thick' to be fuming when they suddenly pull a 180 overnight.

+1
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#8
(07-28-2020, 12:55 PM)ChamonixBaggie Wrote: The Europeans are avoiding Britan maybe but certainly not each other. I was in both St Johann in Tirol and Lake Garda for work over the past week. Both totally rammed (mostly with Germans).

If you'd been given the all clear by the gov't to travel and then done so, I don't think its unreasonable or 'thick' to be fuming when they suddenly pull a 180 overnight.
Government statement, “represents our ambition to return to normality, however we are ready to apply the handbrake on the plan set out”.
It was acknowledged that parts of the world are experiencing a rise in cases rapidly and the goal is to avoid that in that UK.
“People and businesses should be prepared for the eventuality that we pause our timetable for reopening, or reverse changes in a targeted way to respond to new outbreaks,”  as late as 17/07/2020
 
Raab, “we must have the ability then to put back measures in place," 07/95/2020
 
No. 10 spokesman, “We will closely track the impact of any easing of …measures and will not hesitate to tighten the rules if required.”
 
Any changes to the UK lockdown... could be reversed if the virus spikes, Boris Johnson's spokesman insisted today.” 07/05/2020
 
Johnson, “measures under constant review”, “we will not hesitate to apply the handbrake, or reverse measures”. In The commons 23/06/2020

Can't say we haven't been warned of the possibility.
 Caveat emptor!
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#9
(07-28-2020, 04:03 PM)JOK Wrote:
(07-28-2020, 12:55 PM)ChamonixBaggie Wrote: The Europeans are avoiding Britan maybe but certainly not each other. I was in both St Johann in Tirol and Lake Garda for work over the past week. Both totally rammed (mostly with Germans).

If you'd been given the all clear by the gov't to travel and then done so, I don't think its unreasonable or 'thick' to be fuming when they suddenly pull a 180 overnight.
Government statement, “represents our ambition to return to normality, however we are ready to apply the handbrake on the plan set out”.
It was acknowledged that parts of the world are experiencing a rise in cases rapidly and the goal is to avoid that in that UK.
“People and businesses should be prepared for the eventuality that we pause our timetable for reopening, or reverse changes in a targeted way to respond to new outbreaks,”  as late as 17/07/2020
 
Raab, “we must have the ability then to put back measures in place," 07/95/2020
 
No. 10 spokesman, “We will closely track the impact of any easing of …measures and will not hesitate to tighten the rules if required.”
 
Any changes to the UK lockdown... could be reversed if the virus spikes, Boris Johnson's spokesman insisted today.” 07/05/2020
 
Johnson, “measures under constant review”, “we will not hesitate to apply the handbrake, or reverse measures”. In The commons 23/06/2020

Can't say we haven't been warned of the possibility.
 Caveat emptor!

+1

Going abroad while in a pandemic you take your chances.
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#10
Does anybody know how those travelling by road are being monitored? Campervans or motorhomes for example?

It’s possible to travel from Spain into France and then back to the tunnel in 2 or 3 days and it’s unlikely there’d be any stamp on the passport. Ostensibly you’d be returning from France.

I’m sure it’s been thought of.
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