Posts: 138
Threads: 10
Joined: Aug 2019
Reputation:
2
08-17-2020, 11:49 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-18-2020, 12:11 AM by Neil Parsley.)
(08-12-2020, 08:14 AM)baggy1 Wrote: There would be uproar about the leadership of this country, the handling of the pandemic has been one of the worst in the world epitomised by Boris not bothering to even turn up to the 1st few Cobra meetings, delaying the lockdown and boasting about shaking hands when we were on the precipice of a medical disaster, and then the shambles of reopening the economy. This has led to one of the worst death rates in the world, the worst economic recoveries as published today and still no clear path to get out of this shithole.
In normal times there would have at least been a leadership challenge or the muppet in chief falling on his sword, but not at this point where Brexit is so important to the few that they will push on until it is delivered no matter what the damage to the country is. Everyone knows it, even the Brexiteers are having second thoughts about at least the timing of it, but fuck it, fuck the economy, fuck the union and fuck the people because the elite few want it delivered.
We are sacrificing our futures here for an ideological dream / nightmare.
Always makes me laugh when people on the Left go on about the 'elite' in reference to Brexit just because Rees-Mogg is very posh and Johnson went to Eton. They have been lied to and conned that the elite were for leave and that it is one big tax avoidance scam.
The PM, Chancellor, Government, 2/3 of MPs, the CBI, IMF, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs , CitiGroup and the overwhelming majority of the who's who in arts and entertainment. That'll be your 'elite'. All for remain.
Anyone to the Left of social democracy shouldn't support the EU but they do so because they see themselves as progressive and see remain as a progressive cause so support/ed it without understanding it.
This is the ultimate con trick, getting people to support something that should be antithetical to their beliefs. But they can't see it.
Oh, as for tax avoidance, the UK already largely complied with the Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive due to domestic law already in place, but we moved to full compliance in November 2018 before the implementation date of 1/1/19. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...-directive
You need to stop taking your political opinions from Terry Christian. https://fullfact.org/online/brexit-not-c...-accounts/
(08-12-2020, 08:33 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: But look at the people coming into the country in dinghy’s!
Don’t look at the fact that UK has achieved the largest recession of any G7 country as well as the highest excess death rate in Europe.
And yet you now claim that the UK should have been locked-down earlier which would have caused an even bigger recession. You can either whine about not being locked down earlier or you can whine about the extent of the recession, it's utterly dim to whine about both. It shows that you attack for the sake of at any perceived opportunity, without stopping to think whether your assertions are consistent.
And excess deaths is not that helpful or instructive, only a third of excess deaths can be attributed to CV-19. https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931
(08-12-2020, 10:46 AM)baggy1 Wrote: (08-12-2020, 10:37 AM)JOK Wrote: (08-12-2020, 08:14 AM)baggy1 Wrote: 1, This has led to one of the worst death rates in the world,
2, even the Brexiteers are having second thoughts about at least the timing of it...
3, fuck the economy,
4, fuck the union.
5, fuck the people because the elite few want it delivered.
6, We are sacrificing our futures here for an ideological dream / nightmare. 1, Second in deaths per million, true. (at time of writing) It is not as straight forward as that. (As I'm certain you know but still, let's not spoil a good sound bite) There are other factors which should be taken into the equation.
2, Are they. What percentage? Who? Try not to mention Davies' criticism of the, as yet, un settled deal.
3, Yet to be known.
4, The Union (if you mean the U.K.) was fracturing anyway.
5, You mean the majority of those that voted? The majority of Labour voting, working class areas. Those "Elite few" you mean?
6, Your opinion. As with no.2, yet to be proven.
1. 61k excess deaths in a population of 60 million is far from a sound bite, I'm surprised you even question that one with a vague 'other factors' comment. It was simple, pay attention, turn up to meetings, lock down earlier i think we are well past that argument.
2. Davies and IDS were the leaders of the movement who are questioning it, the remain voting parties polled more than the leave parties in the election but don't let that get in the way of a good vagueness.
3. We're fucked face it
4. oh well that's ok, lets fuck it completely
5. No i mean the elites that led the charge knowing they would be protected - the voters were lied to and conned all the way through, again proven beyond even worth commenting on.
6. see 3
1. I have already dealt with the ridiculousness of trying to argue that all excess deaths are from CV-19
2. No, they didn't. Labour was a second referendum party, not a remain party. The only nationwide remain party, the Lib Dems, were trounced. In any case, it's irrelevant.
3. Er...Okay
4. Ibid.
5. Says someone who is nowhere near astute enough to spot the real lies from remain and who thinks supporting remain is what his left-wing self-image demands?! It has not been 'proven'. You have a grossed-up figure on the side of a bus and the NHS is getting £394m a week extra anyway. https://www.gponline.com/pm-confirms-205...le/1485329 Also note that the High Court in the judicial review of the attempted private prosecution of Johnson didn't criticise the use of the £350m figure (Johnson v Westminster Magistrates' Court et al). You have no argument let alone 'proven beyond...[etc']
Remain lied, threatened and totally misused and misrepresented hypothetical GDP figures and got the POTUS to lie.
But you still haven't spotted this.
Posts: 5,901
Threads: 115
Joined: Jan 2019
Reputation:
49
(08-17-2020, 11:49 PM)Neil Parsley Wrote: (08-12-2020, 08:14 AM)baggy1 Wrote: There would be uproar about the leadership of this country, the handling of the pandemic has been one of the worst in the world epitomised by Boris not bothering to even turn up to the 1st few Cobra meetings, delaying the lockdown and boasting about shaking hands when we were on the precipice of a medical disaster, and then the shambles of reopening the economy. This has led to one of the worst death rates in the world, the worst economic recoveries as published today and still no clear path to get out of this shithole.
In normal times there would have at least been a leadership challenge or the muppet in chief falling on his sword, but not at this point where Brexit is so important to the few that they will push on until it is delivered no matter what the damage to the country is. Everyone knows it, even the Brexiteers are having second thoughts about at least the timing of it, but fuck it, fuck the economy, fuck the union and fuck the people because the elite few want it delivered.
We are sacrificing our futures here for an ideological dream / nightmare.
Always makes me laugh when people on the Left go on about the 'elite' in reference to Brexit just because Rees-Mogg is very posh and Johnson went to Eton. They have been lied to and conned that the elite were for leave and that it is one big tax avoidance scam.
The PM, Chancellor, Government, 2/3 of MPs, the CBI, IMF, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs , CitiGroup and the overwhelming majority of the who's who in arts and entertainment. That'll be your 'elite'. All for remain.
Anyone to the Left of social democracy shouldn't support the EU but they do so because they see themselves as progressive and see remain as a progressive cause so support/ed it without understanding it.
This is the ultimate con trick, getting people to support something that should be antithetical to their beliefs. But they can't see it.
Oh, as for tax avoidance, the UK already largely complied with the Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive due to domestic law already in place, but we moved to full compliance in November 2018 before the implementation date of 1/1/19. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...-directive
You need to stop taking your political opinions from Terry Christian.https://fullfact.org/online/brexit-not-c...-accounts/
'People on the left' - just because I don't support the most corrupt, inept bunch of wankers that have ever governed the country doesn't make me 'left'. I'm glad you still support those described above as you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep. I'm not certain where the 'tax avoidance scam' comes from but I suppose as it is part of your 'cut and paste' answer to anything Brexit you have to shoehorn it in.
Again the 'Anyone to the left of Social Democracy' line - that must refer to about 5% of the UK population - if you want to target your responses at them I suggest you go and hang around the SWPunofficial pages. The vast majority of this countries population will be centrist I would imagine. I can see that there was no need to change a system that wasn't broken - we have shafted our currency, made our bargaining position in trade deals worse and made our travel harder, what actual benefits have we had for the general population?
Again who mentioned tax avoidance? Another 'cut and paste' answer. Typical Brexiteer response - nothing to do with the question.
Posts: 5,901
Threads: 115
Joined: Jan 2019
Reputation:
49
(08-17-2020, 11:49 PM)Neil Parsley Wrote:
(08-12-2020, 08:33 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: But look at the people coming into the country in dinghy’s!
Don’t look at the fact that UK has achieved the largest recession of any G7 country as well as the highest excess death rate in Europe.
And yet you now claim that the UK should have been locked-down earlier which would have caused an even bigger recession. You can either whine about not being locked down earlier or you can whine about the extent of the recession, it's utterly dim to whine about both. It shows that you attack for the sake of at any perceived opportunity, without stopping to think whether your assertions are consistent.
And excess deaths is not that helpful or instructive, only a third of excess deaths can be attributed to CV-19. https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931
The irony of you calling anyone dim in that quote is beyond parody. If we would have locked down earlier then we could have relaxed the lockdown earlier and managed through local lockdowns as we are doing. Because we didn't lockdown when everyone was saying 'this looks a bit scary and everyone else seems to be locking down' we simply had more deaths and it fucked our ability to control the virus. Dim indeed.
We could have had the economy back up and running weeks earlier if we'd have controlled it properly from the start - because we didn't we are still floundering around reacting to whatever someone shouts about.
Excess deaths is the only measure that is comparable to other countries due to different reporting methods. And if only a 'third' of deaths can be attributed to covid (that's bollox by the way), what are the other 2/3rds? And don't go on about cancer treatment etc, that takes months to filter through.
You must be a parody account because you really have excelled yourself with the complete bollox spouted there.
Posts: 2,892
Threads: 73
Joined: Jun 2019
Reputation:
21
08-18-2020, 04:43 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-18-2020, 05:45 PM by Ossian.)
(08-18-2020, 10:31 AM)baggy1 Wrote: (08-17-2020, 11:49 PM)Neil Parsley Wrote: And yet you now claim that the UK should have been locked-down earlier which would have caused an even bigger recession. You can either whine about not being locked down earlier or you can whine about the extent of the recession, it's utterly dim to whine about both. It shows that you attack for the sake of at any perceived opportunity, without stopping to think whether your assertions are consistent.
The irony of you calling anyone dim in that quote is beyond parody. If we would have locked down earlier then we could have relaxed the lockdown earlier and managed through local lockdowns as we are doing. Because we didn't lockdown when everyone was saying 'this looks a bit scary and everyone else seems to be locking down' we simply had more deaths and it fucked our ability to control the virus. Dim indeed.
We could have had the economy back up and running weeks earlier if we'd have controlled it properly from the start - because we didn't we are still floundering around reacting to whatever someone shouts about.
I don't usually get to see NP's contributions unless they're quoted by another poster. I've seen that 'Locking down earlier would have extended the recession' argument elsewhere; it seems to be based on the assumption that a lockdown started earlier wouldn't similarly have ended earlier, which doesn't seem logical. My guess is that an earlier lockdown would have been both shorter and more effective.
Not provable of course, just an opinion.
Posts: 11,777
Threads: 464
Joined: Jan 2019
Reputation:
73
Never engage with Mandown Pilt / Neil Parsley. Top tip
Posts: 10,039
Threads: 395
Joined: Jan 2019
Reputation:
31
Could they have done a worse job? It seems to be a clusterfuck in every single department
Posts: 2,892
Threads: 73
Joined: Jun 2019
Reputation:
21
Nothing that hasn't been said countless times on here, but at least it's getting noticed...
Nesrine Malik
|