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Homelessness in Brum
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(08-03-2017, 09:13 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(08-03-2017, 05:15 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I imagine you try and address the root causes of their criminality which will be drugs, drink and mental health issues.

I can't imagine how you do that in a non-institutional setting though.

(08-03-2017, 05:39 PM)Heath Wrote: Aside from the obvious concern for the individuals in these positions I couldnt help but think of the impression it wouldve left of Birmingham if I was a first time visitor. Smack bang in the centre as well, not even off on the side streets.

I agree. Someone ought to take John Clancy to task over it.

Perhaps the John Lewis bloke could give it shot - maybe get some dosh off Maybot
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#12
(09-05-2017, 11:07 AM)igorbalis Wrote: Perhaps offering the young people the opportunities at an early age to do something positive with their lives and not just turn to drugs as a way out of their meaningless existence. It will need money to be spent, but a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of dealing with the criminality that follows on from drug addiction. Another idea would be to turn over any premises vacant for more than 12months to housing associations who could then provide cheap housing for the homeless.

Someone said similar after Grenfell and was slammed for it.
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#13
(09-05-2017, 04:26 PM)Bomber Wrote:
(09-05-2017, 11:07 AM)igorbalis Wrote: Perhaps offering the young people the opportunities at an early age to do something positive with their lives and not just turn to drugs as a way out of their meaningless existence. It will need money to be spent, but a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of dealing with the criminality that follows on from drug addiction. Another idea would be to turn over any premises vacant for more than 12months to housing associations who could then provide cheap housing for the homeless.

Someone said similar after Grenfell and was slammed for it.
Like the principle but 12 months too short IMO. Probate, Ill health etc are complicated matters but yes, abandoned houses should be Turned over, at least temporarily, to house the homeless.

Of course, the proper solution is to ensure sufficient supply of affordable/housing vulnerable and address the many complicated factors that lead to homelessness. Whilst Proth's assumption that these things can't be done outside of institutionalised organisations is wrong, it's understandable. The 3rd sector is poor at promoting itself IMO BUT IT's great at understanding its 'customers'.

Holistic diagnostics and multi-disciplinary action is needed - health, social care, law enforcement and housing - almost in equal parts - need to work together to fix it.  But it won't happen under this government; and that's an honest appraisal rather political wankery, for once.
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#14
(09-05-2017, 06:57 PM)SophieX Wrote:
(09-05-2017, 04:26 PM)Bomber Wrote:
(09-05-2017, 11:07 AM)igorbalis Wrote: Perhaps offering the young people the opportunities at an early age to do something positive with their lives and not just turn to drugs as a way out of their meaningless existence. It will need money to be spent, but a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of dealing with the criminality that follows on from drug addiction. Another idea would be to turn over any premises vacant for more than 12months to housing associations who could then provide cheap housing for the homeless.

Someone said similar after Grenfell and was slammed for it.
Like the principle but 12 months too short IMO. Probate, Ill health etc are complicated matters but yes, abandoned houses should be Turned over, at least temporarily, to house the homeless.

Of course, the proper solution is to ensure sufficient supply of affordable/housing vulnerable and address the many complicated factors that lead to homelessness. Whilst Proth's assumption that these things can't be done outside of institutionalised organisations is wrong, it's understandable. The 3rd sector is poor at promoting itself IMO BUT IT's great at understanding its 'customers'.

Holistic diagnostics and multi-disciplinary action is needed - health, social care, law enforcement and housing - almost in equal parts - need to work together to fix it.  But it won't happen under this government; and that's an honest appraisal rather political wankery, for once.

What about if anyone doesn't use their bank account for 12 months then the money gets turned over to those who need it?
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#15
(09-06-2017, 12:50 PM)Bratislava Baggie Wrote:
(09-05-2017, 06:57 PM)SophieX Wrote:
(09-05-2017, 04:26 PM)Bomber Wrote:
(09-05-2017, 11:07 AM)igorbalis Wrote: Perhaps offering the young people the opportunities at an early age to do something positive with their lives and not just turn to drugs as a way out of their meaningless existence. It will need money to be spent, but a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of dealing with the criminality that follows on from drug addiction. Another idea would be to turn over any premises vacant for more than 12months to housing associations who could then provide cheap housing for the homeless.

Someone said similar after Grenfell and was slammed for it.
Like the principle but 12 months too short IMO. Probate, Ill health etc are complicated matters but yes, abandoned houses should be Turned over, at least temporarily, to house the homeless.

Of course, the proper solution is to ensure sufficient supply of affordable/housing vulnerable and address the many complicated factors that lead to homelessness. Whilst Proth's assumption that these things can't be done outside of institutionalised organisations is wrong, it's understandable. The 3rd sector is poor at promoting itself IMO BUT IT's great at understanding its 'customers'.

Holistic diagnostics and multi-disciplinary action is needed - health, social care, law enforcement and housing - almost in equal parts - need to work together to fix it.  But it won't happen under this government; and that's an honest appraisal rather political wankery, for once.

What about if anyone doesn't use their bank account for 12 months then the money gets turned over to those who need it?
There is no comparison.   A bit like buying Premium Bonds or a Lottery Ticket.  With the Premium Bonds the original capital outlay is still yours, not so with the Lottery.
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#16
(09-06-2017, 12:50 PM)Bratislava Baggie Wrote:
(09-05-2017, 06:57 PM)SophieX Wrote:
(09-05-2017, 04:26 PM)Bomber Wrote:
(09-05-2017, 11:07 AM)igorbalis Wrote: Perhaps offering the young people the opportunities at an early age to do something positive with their lives and not just turn to drugs as a way out of their meaningless existence. It will need money to be spent, but a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of dealing with the criminality that follows on from drug addiction. Another idea would be to turn over any premises vacant for more than 12months to housing associations who could then provide cheap housing for the homeless.

Someone said similar after Grenfell and was slammed for it.
Like the principle but 12 months too short IMO. Probate, Ill health etc are complicated matters but yes, abandoned houses should be Turned over, at least temporarily, to house the homeless.

Of course, the proper solution is to ensure sufficient supply of affordable/housing vulnerable and address the many complicated factors that lead to homelessness. Whilst Proth's assumption that these things can't be done outside of institutionalised organisations is wrong, it's understandable. The 3rd sector is poor at promoting itself IMO BUT IT's great at understanding its 'customers'.

Holistic diagnostics and multi-disciplinary action is needed - health, social care, law enforcement and housing - almost in equal parts - need to work together to fix it.  But it won't happen under this government; and that's an honest appraisal rather political wankery, for once.

What about if anyone doesn't use their bank account for 12 months then the money gets turned over to those who need it?

Look, the money is just resting there, OK?
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