PPE equipment

[Derek Hardballs]

So who is to blame for the private care homes with out ppe ?

The supply chain has from the accounts I’ve heard been diverted to the NHS making it very difficult for Care Homes of all denominations to access the PPE they need.

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There has been a problem with PPE supplied to a number of EU countries and the UK from China recently (they seem to make a lot of the masks for example) China must have been badly stretched itself of course, followed by this big international demand.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/s...-1.4219452

This LA Times article suggests fake as well as faulty products coming out of China now (not supported by the Chinese government who don't want a bad image) but many companies are desperate in China and there is a global scramble for PPE as well as a UK one which isn't helping of course

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/sto...ty-control

These concerns and equipment sent back / recalled or whatever has meant China doing more quality control and checking of exports, leading to further delays - this does not just impact on Europe of course - big problem for others such as India as per below

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomac...rts-delays

A worldwide problem

The government has said it has all the PPE it needs.

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As someone loves to regularly regurgitate his posts with different headings, I'll re post an answer.

“Across the world, frontline medical staff are clamoring for face masks and other personal protective equipment (PPE). Even as China, the world’s main supplier, comes back onstream, companies around the globe are battling a host of obstacles, from illness to freight costs, from hoarding to a supply squeeze on filter fabric.”

“There are two main kinds of mask: ... the higher-standard respirators, often known by designations such as N95 or FFP (“filtering facepiece”), which are meant for medical procedures to protect workers from the droplets through which the virus spreads.
Demand for all of them has skyrocketed.”
““Trying to find a supplier who hasn’t sold out for the next six months is hard,” said Christopher Dobbing, the CEO and founder of Cambridge Mask Co., a small producer in Britain.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-healt...SKBN21C2PE

GENEVA (REUTERS) -  “Demand for masks, gowns, gloves and other protective gear has risen up to 100-fold and prices have soared due to the China coronavirus, producing a “severe” disruption in global supply, the World Health Organisation (WHO) chief said...”

Another couple Of reports here:
WHO. World  shortage of PPE. Need for a 40% increase in manufacture.
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/03-...-worldwide

“Before this pandemic, for instance, China produced approximately half the world’s face masks. As the infection spread across China, their exports came to a halt.”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006141

The government has said and I quote  The government says there is enough of this "precious resource" to go around.

There are existing stockpiles that need to be got out there and there is a need for continuing manufacture and future orders (and more stockpiling I would imagine in case of a second wave).

This - and extra supply measures to try and get PPE where it is needed (including use of armed forces) - are in the Department of Health PPE plan.

Strand 3 - Future Supply is the bit you want (Page 20).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk...__plan.pdf

What the government are saying re the EU scheme re orders is:

"Participating in this scheme would not have allowed us to do anything that we have not been able to do ourselves.”

“For the majority of PPE included in the EU scheme, the supply of items to participating countries is still subject to the European Commission signing off individual contracts with suppliers. [On] the placing of orders and negotiations on delivery schedules, we understand that participating countries may begin to receive PPE starting from two weeks after orders are placed, but delivery will be subject to the same demand pressures of all other procurement currently taking place."

So what harm would it have done to work with the EU? I cannot see a downside other than ideological. 

So let’s get this right the government has stated and Prof ;that they have the PPE we need, but the problem is supply but when Prof blames the NHS BB comes along and questions the assertion. Who to believe... hmm casts mind back to how government conducted itself during the last election.

[The liquidator]

They won the last election I think you will find they did rather ok

[Sunshine]

The problems of late capitalism.

[DAVE]

Can’t stockpile when you’re £13bn in debt.

[Protheroe]

So what harm would it have done to work with the EU? I cannot see a downside other than ideological.

You know that Macron stopped Valmy fulfilling an order for millions of masks to the NHS don't you?

Was that ideological? Or just vindictive?

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"The EU procurement scheme has not been entirely successful, however. While deliveries of masks, gowns and gloves will be made in tranches over the next two to 18 weeks, the procurement of ventilators will be slow, according to a leaked EU document. Companies indicated long delivery times, from 10 to 52 weeks, the commission warned member states of the £690m purchase."

As I posted the other day, the UK already has more than enough PPE. It's simply that the NHS is so useless in its inventory and distribution.

NHS England inventory and distribution is conducted by Clipper Logistics, a private business, which is overseen by and contracted to Supply Chain Coordination Limited which in turn is controlled by the DHSC. The NHS hasn't been in charge of PPE inventory outside of what is physically within trusts since 2006.

And the UK government currently has an 87% immediate shortfall in its own ventilator procurement scheme with one of the contracts having been cancelled as the design isn't sufficient which has created a longer term shortfall. Given that the EU scheme does not inhibit our own procurement mechanisms, if we'd joined the scheme we would be in the exact same stage now but have slack from the EU scheme to cover the Sky Blue order cancellation as well as getting PPE brought in within two weeks.

As for us having more than enough supply of PPE, that's being contradicted by a lot of people. Stormont has asked the Irish government for help with supplying PPE and there have been various conflicting reports regarding available PPE supply in the UK both for public and private sector usage.

Clipper Logistics PLC (LON:CLG), the retail logistics specialist, sailed 8,3% higher to 167.8p after it it won a gig with the National Health Service (NHS).

The company has been contracted to provide services to establish a new supply chain for NHS Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) products, delivering to NHS Hospital Trusts and other healthcare providers across the country.

“We are all pleased to be able to support the NHS in a critical time for the country, helping NHS staff operate safely whilst caring for those in need,” said Steve Parkin, the executive chairman of Clipper.

So Clipper has been running PPE deliveries since the 2nd of April. If you're going to be disingenuous, at least do your research. I'm delighted to see the private sector riding to the rescue. Who to believe, eh Dekka?

[Derek Hardballs]

So what harm would it have done to work with the EU? I cannot see a downside other than ideological.

You know that Macron stopped Valmy fulfilling an order for millions of masks to the NHS don't you?

Was that ideological? Or just vindictive?

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ITV
Evening Standard
Daily Mail
Guardian

"The EU procurement scheme has not been entirely successful, however. While deliveries of masks, gowns and gloves will be made in tranches over the next two to 18 weeks, the procurement of ventilators will be slow, according to a leaked EU document. Companies indicated long delivery times, from 10 to 52 weeks, the commission warned member states of the £690m purchase."

As I posted the other day, the UK already has more than enough PPE. It's simply that the NHS is so useless in its inventory and distribution.

NHS England inventory and distribution is conducted by Clipper Logistics, a private business, which is overseen by and contracted to Supply Chain Coordination Limited which in turn is controlled by the DHSC. The NHS hasn't been in charge of PPE inventory outside of what is physically within trusts since 2006.

And the UK government currently has an 87% immediate shortfall in its own ventilator procurement scheme with one of the contracts having been cancelled as the design isn't sufficient which has created a longer term shortfall. Given that the EU scheme does not inhibit our own procurement mechanisms, if we'd joined the scheme we would be in the exact same stage now but have slack from the EU scheme to cover the Sky Blue order cancellation as well as getting PPE brought in within two weeks.

As for us having more than enough supply of PPE, that's being contradicted by a lot of people. Stormont has asked the Irish government for help with supplying PPE and there have been various conflicting reports regarding available PPE supply in the UK both for public and private sector usage.

Clipper Logistics PLC (LON:CLG), the retail logistics specialist, sailed 8,3% higher to 167.8p after it it won a gig with the National Health Service (NHS).

The company has been contracted to provide services to establish a new supply chain for NHS Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) products, delivering to NHS Hospital Trusts and other healthcare providers across the country.

“We are all pleased to be able to support the NHS in a critical time for the country, helping NHS staff operate safely whilst caring for those in need,” said Steve Parkin, the executive chairman of Clipper.

So Clipper has been running PPE deliveries since the 2nd of April. If you're going to be disingenuous, at least do your research. I'm delighted to see the private sector riding to the rescue. Who to believe, eh Dekka?

Your party lied throughout the election, the leading protagonists have lied consistently for three to four years, they refuse to apologise for anything and are propped up by journalists who for whatever reason will not scrutinise them (not just during this pandemic). Regardless how poor the opposition was I will stick to not believing anything they say. When the government starts acting in a more open and honest I will start to believe them. 

As for you blaming the NHS when it’s treated like a political football by your party as much as any way other. If you cut services to the bone in social care and health due to ahem austerity and ignore reports like Cygnus then you are not doing your job properly. So are the failings governmental or just the NHS? They are intrinsically linked and it’s way past the sell by date to blame Labour. I’m sure your reply will be to privatise / insurance model but good luck selling that to the nation after this.

One end of the spectrum

The other end

[baggy1]

Talking of being disingenuous and doing research - Clipper have been brought in to support the other private company running the logistics Unipart, because Unipart couldn't deliver their contract with the NHS at this time. The private sector are hardly riding to the rescue, the government outsourced a logistics operation that has been found out to be unable to deliver at this time.

[Protheroe]

Blah Blah - austerity - blah blah - lying Tories - blah blah

Give it a rest FFS sake.

I've just told you that Macron cancelled an NHS PPE contract and you want us to get into bed with the EU.

I've just told you that Clipper Logistics (and my colleague Simon) are riding to the rescue of NHS logistics when you're usually the first to condemn private provision in the NHS.

You don't even understand the difference between social insurance and privatisation - and how a healthcare system can be out of state control without it it being a corporate free for all. Forgive me Dekka, but the more I read the more I'm convinced you're an idiot with far too much time on your hands.

[Protheroe]

Talking of being disingenuous and doing research - Clipper have been brought in to support the other private company running the logistics Unipart, because Unipart couldn't deliver their contract with the NHS at this time. The private sector are hardly riding to the rescue, the government outsourced a logistics operation that has been found out to be unable to deliver at this time.

Unsurprisingly during an international crisis you need you need more logistical support. Who'd have thought it?

Certainly not the procurement fella at the NHS when he let the logistics contract....

[baggy1]

Blah Blah - austerity - blah blah - lying Tories - blah blah

Give it a rest FFS sake.

I've just told you that Macron cancelled an NHS PPE contract and you want us to get into bed with the EU.

I've just told you that Clipper Logistics (and my colleague Simon) are riding to the rescue of NHS logistics when you're usually the first to condemn private provision in the NHS.

You don't even understand the difference between social insurance and privatisation - and how a healthcare system can be out of state control without it it being a corporate free for all. Forgive me Dekka, but the more I read the more I'm convinced you're an idiot with far too much time on your hands.

Apart from the fact that they aren't are they, they're riding to the rescue of Unipart Logistics who can't deliver their contract at this time.

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Talking of being disingenuous and doing research - Clipper have been brought in to support the other private company running the logistics Unipart, because Unipart couldn't deliver their contract with the NHS at this time. The private sector are hardly riding to the rescue, the government outsourced a logistics operation that has been found out to be unable to deliver at this time.

Unsurprisingly during an international crisis you need you need more logistical support. Who'd have thought it?

Certainly not the procurement fella at the NHS when he let the logistics contract....

Not debating that, just you forgot to mention it when talking about the private sector riding to the rescue. The NHS has been stripped so much it couldn't have it's own logistics department so had to outsource and raise funds by selling off any assets it had.

Let's face it, we disagree on the way things should be run so it's pointless debating with you, there is no movement on your part. However at least you have your beliefs based in an ideology that you understand rather than a lot that have their beliefs based on Facebook and the Daily Mail.